Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

[Swarley]

No one noticed DeAngelo's improved tackling and general improvement in hustle (for lack of better term)?

or are we all about the numbers?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

No one noticed DeAngelo's improved tackling and general improvement in hustle (for lack of better term)?

or are we all about the numbers?

I don't know anyone wanted to talk about DeAngelo Hall's much improved run defense (seriously), I mean there are people who still think he's good against the pass.

I don't know about general improvement in hustle. He's always been that kind of player that puts that chip back on his shoulder when things are going well and raises his level of play to prove a point. A true frontrunner who, ironically, will never be employed by a frontrunner.

I'll say this: I'd never bet against Hall once he feels he has a quarterback figured out. If he actually starts to be right on his reads, he's as dangerous as anyone out there. The numbers are just there to remind us that this doesn't get to that level all that often. I mean, fourth quarter of the Lions game on: did he ever really get in a groove the rest of the year? No, he never got a good read on the quarterbacks he was facing, and was held without an INT for 8 games.

But boy, whoever put Matt Cassel in the pro bowl played right into his hands. He definitely had his number that game.

[Masshole]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know anyone wanted to talk about DeAngelo Hall's much improved run defense (seriously), I mean there are people who still think he's good against the pass.

I don't know about general improvement in hustle. He's always been that kind of player that puts that chip back on his shoulder when things are going well and raises his level of play to prove a point. A true frontrunner who, ironically, will never be employed by a frontrunner.

I'll say this: I'd never bet against Hall once he feels he has a quarterback figured out. If he actually starts to be right on his reads, he's as dangerous as anyone out there. The numbers are just there to remind us that this doesn't get to that level all that often. I mean, fourth quarter of the Lions game on: did he ever really get in a groove the rest of the year? No, he never got a good read on the quarterbacks he was facing, and was held without an INT for 8 games.

But boy, whoever put Matt Cassel in the pro bowl played right into his hands. He definitely had his number that game.

As someone who spent the entire 2010 offseason complaining about how Hall would be a disaster in the 3-4 because he can't tackle anyone, I definitely was surprised by how much better Hall was as an open-field tackler, and yes, that deserves some credit. But that's really not the point. Deangelo Hall and Jim Haslett really are perfect bed fellows, guys with wildly overinflated reputations in terms of their value and accomplishments, and critical, demonstrable flaws in terms of their career records. For Hall, it lies in what NC Skins said, years upon years of terrible coverage metrics, whether it's KC Joyner, Football Outsiders, or Pro Football Focus. Of course those numbers aren't perfect and won't be so long as the NFL refuses to share coaches tape. But they're the only numbers we have, and the other top cornerbacks routinely make it into the top 10's, so they can't be that off.

But still, its the same thing with Haslett, go back and look at the completely non-controversial, boring conventional stats over the past 10 years, and you'll see that neither guy is ever on a defense that wasn't in the bottom half of the league or (more often that than that) bottom 5-10 teams. Then add that to the fact that our defense was one of the 5 worst in the league last year, and I think there's more than enough evidence to support the fact that Set A, let's call it NFL team success (as quantified by playoff victories), seems to be mutually exclusive from Set B (teams with Haslett led defenses) and Set C (defenses with D. Hall on them).

Einstein always said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and then expecting a different result. I agree. It is positively insane to expect the Redskins to be successful with Jim Haslett at defensive coordinator and D. Hall as our CB1 (though to a lesser extent on Hall). And we will not experience success until both of these guys are gone. Period.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know anyone wanted to talk about DeAngelo Hall's much improved run defense (seriously), I mean there are people who still think he's good against the pass.

I don't know about general improvement in hustle. He's always been that kind of player that puts that chip back on his shoulder when things are going well and raises his level of play to prove a point. A true frontrunner who, ironically, will never be employed by a frontrunner.

I'll say this: I'd never bet against Hall once he feels he has a quarterback figured out. If he actually starts to be right on his reads, he's as dangerous as anyone out there. The numbers are just there to remind us that this doesn't get to that level all that often. I mean, fourth quarter of the Lions game on: did he ever really get in a groove the rest of the year? No, he never got a good read on the quarterbacks he was facing, and was held without an INT for 8 games.

But boy, whoever put Matt Cassel in the pro bowl played right into his hands. He definitely had his number that game.

ok fair enough, I'll buy that.