Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks

[MTK]

JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.

Not if you don't mind not having a good enough record to get into the playoff. I want a QB that can take me there, not NEAR there. This ain't horseshoes, close doesn't count.

PS Why do all of you guys want Smith so bad? He has more career INT than TDs and his best career completion percentage just barely ekes over 60%. Not to mention his best career QB rating is 80.

I'm sorry but he IS the west coast Jason Campbell. And if you are okay with a .500 record or slightly over at best, go for it, but I want someone that can take me to the promise land. At least Rex has three years in this system.

Why isn't anyone talking about Kyle Orton? I've been telling everyone all offseason we need to bring him in here. He is WAY better than any of the GoodWill QBs you guys are trying to donate to the team.

Reality check. Established, quality FAs or youthful draftees are the only two ways we should be moving here. Anything else is just sideways at best, but more likely backwards. Kaepernick, Dalton, or Ponder from the draft with a combo of Kyle Orton would put this team in the right direction.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Not if you don't mind not having a good enough record to get into the playoff. I want a QB that can take me there, not NEAR there. This ain't horseshoes, close doesn't count.

PS Why do all of you guys want Smith so bad? He has more career INT than TDs and his best career completion percentage just barely ekes over 60%. Not to mention his best career QB rating is 80.

I'm sorry but he IS the west coast Jason Campbell. And if you are okay with a .500 record or slightly over at best, go for it, but I want someone that can take me to the promise land. At least Rex has three years in this system.

Why isn't anyone talking about Kyle Orton? I've been telling everyone all offseason we need to bring him in here. He is WAY better than any of the GoodWill QBs you guys are trying to donate to the team.

Reality check. Established, quality FAs or youthful draftees are the only two ways we should be moving here. Anything else is just sideways at best, but more likely backwards. Kaepernick, Dalton, or Ponder from the draft with a combo of Kyle Orton would put this team in the right direction.

Dude I've said the same things, Orton is way better than Smith, look at record and stats not even close.. Some want smith because he was a former number 1 pick that "may" pan out somewhere else.. No thanks, the guy sucks plain and simple. He was overrated in college and the 9ers to the bait.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Not if you don't mind not having a good enough record to get into the playoff. I want a QB that can take me there, not NEAR there. This ain't horseshoes, close doesn't count.

The Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8, and on top of that went 6-0 in the division. Pretty nice improvement if you ask me. JC was a big part of that. Give him some credit.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8, and on top of that went 6-0 in the division. Pretty nice improvement if you ask me. JC was a big part of that. Give him some credit.

I did. Credit that he can make a team mediocre, average, run of the mill, however you want to say it. Until Jason Campbell or Alex Smith prove they can make a playoff run and actually do something other than play averagely, then I maintain what I have said about them... Just because a guy was a #1 overall pick, or has had a different offensive system every year doesn't mean they will be a great QB. I think they have had the opportunity to show what they have and while they are serviceable, they have not proved they are a top level QB capable of taking a team to the next level. Is Smith paying you to do his PR?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I did. Credit that he can make a team mediocre, average, run of the mill, however you want to say it. Until Jason Campbell or Alex Smith prove they can make a playoff run and actually do something other than play averagely, then I maintain what I have said about them... Just because a guy was a #1 overall pick, or has had a different offensive system every year doesn't mean they will be a great QB. I think they have had the opportunity to show what they have and while they are serviceable, they have not proved they are a top level QB capable of taking a team to the next level. Is Smith paying you to do his PR?

Nope, just talking football. I don't agree with writing him off yet is all. Wherever he ends up, I think he's still got a shot to be a good QB.

[SmootSmack]

There’s no denying that Mike Shanahan has a large ego, which has probably contributed significantly to his success as an NFL head coach (and probably contributes to the success of many other coaches). And we’ve talked in the past about how his philosophy tends to be find a player based on their best work, thinking that you consistently coach that person to that level. So if Player A is consistently reliable and Player B is erratic but shows flashes of brilliance…go with Player B. But back to the ego, I think it’s in large part to that ego that he seems fixated on finding that QB “failure” that guy who hasn’t quite lived up to expectations and turning him into a star. It’s why he’s had an on and off fascination with JaMarcus Russell since last summer (though I think that’s not going to happen…hope it’s not going to happen), it’s why someone like Locker is often mentioned as a “Shanahan type QB”, it’s why I think and have thought for a while Alex Smith must be someone on the Skins radar…and it’s why there have been serious rumors in the past few days that Vince Young is high on our radar at this time.

That said a) I haven’t been able to verify yet just how serious these rumors may be so don’t jump to any conclusions; b) I don’t know how they plan on making such a move and c) I still believe their first option is 1) find a trade partner for McNabb 2) Sign Grossman to an extension 3) Draft a QB (but not at #10).

Should I hear anything more, of course I’ll let you all know.

But given the choice-Alex Smith or Vince Young? Personally, I take...Matt Hasselbeck. No, but seriously between Smith and Young I think it's a tough call but I think I lean toward Young. Neither was really ever truly embraced by their franchises and their fans (probably Smith more so with the franchise, and Young with the fans); Young does have a winning record, but he won't be bringing Chris Johnson with him; Alex Smith is smart and seems to be a good teammate but how far is that going to take him? Both need a change of scenery in the worst way.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.

Some fans are always gonna point the finger of blame at Campbell despite putting up decent numbers in 2009 in a nearly untenable situation his stats were nearly identical to Carson Palmer despite playing in pure chaos.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.

Yep and the key word in that statement is RAIDERS.