Joe Gibbs lied

[MTK]

Some people here have blasted Gibbs for supposedly showing his hand too early, and now he's being blasted for supposedly not being truthful.

Huh?

[wolfeskins]

i was confused at first but after getting away from the tv for a while i was thinking about the campbell pick and this is what i've come up with. the skins needed to get a good backup qb. gibbs realizes that brunell is done, the skins will cut him next year. ramsey has been given the chance to become the qb of now and the imediate future, if he does then thats great but if he fails the skins need a backup plan. this is were campbell enters the picture. brunell is not the answer and neither is hasselback. gibbs obviously sees something special with campbell. campbell is tall, athletic, can scramble, a great student of the game, has a great work ethic and is a very accurate passer.

[jdlea]

Matty...I never said that Gibbs shouldn't have shown his hand too early. I knew they were picking Rogers and Campbell last week...I read it in the post! I didn't care that he did. I just don't like him coming on right before the draft starts and telling the fans about all the help they're gonna get Ramsey and then he provides Ramsey with nothing but competition. So what he told the fans at the Draft Party was false.

Lie - A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Did he not give the wrong impression to everyone at FedEx? Did they not believe it to be true? Did they expect Joe Gibbs to present with a falsehood? Tell me again that he didn't lie.

One last point, I never said Campbell would start this year, but the drafting of Campbell in the first round shows that Ramsey is not his QB.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i was confused at first but after getting away from the tv for a while i was thinking about the campbell pick and this is what i've come up with. the skins needed to get a good backup qb. gibbs realizes that brunell is done, the skins will cut him next year. ramsey has been given the chance to become the qb of now and the imediate future, if he does then thats great but if he fails the skins need a backup plan. this is were campbell enters the picture. brunell is not the answer and neither is hasselback. gibbs obviously sees something special with campbell. campbell is tall, athletic, can scramble, a great student of the game, has a great work ethic and is a very accurate passer.

I pretty much went through the same thought process you did, wolfeskins, and came to the same conclusions. Initially, I was extremely disappointed with the Campbell pick, though I knew that was what they were going to do. It just didn't make sense to me at the time, what with the pressing need for talent and depth at defensive end and various other positions. I still have significant reservations about the pick, but I can take a little more comfort now that I think I understand the logic behind it.

To me, the Campbell pick really is more of an indictment of Brunell and Hasselbeck than it is a foreshadowing of Ramsey's imminent failure. I think Gibbs expects Ramsey to be successful over the next two years, he'll be tough to re-sign beyond 2006, and for cap purposes, Brunell will probably be cut in 2006. It makes sense to begin the grooming process now for the man who will take over if Ramsey leaves for greener pastures after 2006. They obviously see something special in Campbell.

I just hope they at least tried to trade down from that pick. It seems like Campbell could have been taken later. But who knows, maybe other teams had their eyes on Campbell, too. Seattle, Indy, Cleveland and Tampa all may have been waiting for him to fall to them in the late 1st or early 2nd round.

Who knows, but thinking about it that way will help me sleep better tonight.

[offiss]

It seems a lot of guy's here think that this is not a win now pick that Gibbs is looking towards the future? Well why then did he give up the future and vastly overpay for a QB that's probably 3 years away from seeing the field? Why not wait till next year when the QB class will be much stronger? It's not like we need Campbell this season, if Ramsey goes down were screwed anyway, why didn't we go after a bonified franchise QB last season?

The bottom line here is this, we had the 30th ranked offense and choose not to upgrade it, we had the 3rd best defense and choose to upgrade that, are we the only team in the draft that doesn't draft for need?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by offiss

It seems a lot of guy's here think that this is not a win now pick that Gibbs is looking towards the future? Well why then did he give up the future and vastly overpay for a QB that's probably 3 years away from seeing the field? Why not wait till next year when the QB class will be much stronger? It's not like we need Campbell this season, if Ramsey goes down were screwed anyway, why didn't we go after a bonified franchise QB last season?

The bottom line here is this, we had the 30th ranked offense and choose not to upgrade it, we had the 3rd best defense and choose to upgrade that, are we the only team in the draft that doesn't draft for need?

Pretty much what I've been getting at. I am offended that Joe said they would upgrade the offense, when I knew they wouldn't because I knew the 2 guys they were gonna pick and that's exactly what they did. Ignore the need to upgrade an anemic offense and bolster a defense we couldn't keep together. QB doesn't make sense. We could have gotten one next year with our first round pick. Then we would have had a day one receiver. That seems like pretty good logic to me. I don't agree in taking out insurance well before it is needed in this case.

[joecrisp]

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!