Updated Title: 8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Reinstated

[SmootSmack]

The rumor this morning is that the stay will not be lifted so the lockout will remain in place until the June 3 hearing at the earliest

Hoping this isn't true

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The rumor this morning is that the stay will not be lifted so the lockout will remain in place until the June 3 hearing at the earliest

Hoping this isn't true

Not a happy rumor. Kill the messenger!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not a happy rumor. Kill the messenger!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not a happy rumor. Kill the messenger!

Then I saw this responce and thought "Oh my god they killed Kenny". lol.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The rumor this morning is that the stay will not be lifted so the lockout will remain in place until the June 3 hearing at the earliest

Hoping this isn't true

I can't find it to post but I immediatly thought of Kenny from South Park going "Woo Hoo". lol.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The rumor this morning is that the stay will not be lifted so the lockout will remain in place until the June 3 hearing at the earliest

Hoping this isn't true

Thats excellent news! Sure, if youre only concerned about having news right now, you want the lockout lifted. however, as ive explained a number of times, i beleive its in the long-term interests of the NFL for both sides to agree to a deal on their own (its the only way both sides would feel the deal was fair). No fair deal would be negotiated absent a lockout.

Best case scenario if a CBA is imposed following litigation is a 3-4 year deal and then we're right back where we are now. DeMaurice Smith has no intentions of negotiating in good faith and he will abuse any shred of leverage he has to create another bad deal the owners will terminate as soon as possible.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thats excellent news! Sure, if youre only concerned about having news right now, you want the lockout lifted. however, as ive explained a number of times, i beleive its in the long-term interests of the NFL for both sides to agree to a deal on their own (its the only way both sides would feel the deal was fair). No fair deal would be negotiated absent a lockout.

Best case scenario if a CBA is imposed following litigation is a 3-4 year deal and then we're right back where we are now. DeMaurice Smith has no intentions of negotiating in good faith and he will abuse any shred of leverage he has to create another bad deal the owners will terminate as soon as possible.

I get what you are saying from an overall league view, but in terms of the Redskins the best thing that can happen is this lockout ending as soon as possible. The Redskins have 12 draft picks to get up to speed, they have additional holes to fill in free agency, they have uncertainty at the QB position. Every day this thing extends on is one more nail in the coffin of the the 2011 Redskins! So right now i don't care about the owners trying to get out of a bad deal 4 years from now. I care about the Redskins who I spend a lot of money to see play having a fair chance to field a competitive team.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

I get what you are saying from an overall league view, but in terms of the Redskins the best thing that can happen is this lockout ending as soon as possible. The Redskins have 12 draft picks to get up to speed, they have additional holes to fill in free agency, they have uncertainty at the QB position. Every day this thing extends on is one more nail in the coffin of the the 2011 Redskins! So right now i don't care about the owners trying to get out of a bad deal 4 years from now. I care about the Redskins who I spend a lot of money to see play having a fair chance to field a competitive team.

If the redskins were the only team undergoing a lock out I would agree with you, but all 32 NFL teams are going through the same lockout and will experience a similar impact. There are a number of teams with new coaching staffs and they are at the biggest disadvantage. Yeah we've got 12 rookies but only 2 or 3 of them are likely to contribute immediately out of a 53 man roster so the impact there is minimal.

I'm a redskins fan but im a football fan first. I neleive a lifted lockout would ultimately result In an NFL where there is no draft and 5 percent of the players get 95 percent of the money. Ticket prices will increase out of control an the sport itself will suffer greatly as marquee teams collect all the top college talent. All the things we love about the game--- and the redskins--- would be greatly diminished. Were already neck deep in this. A little mre won't kill anyone

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the redskins were the only team undergoing a lock out I would agree with you, but all 32 NFL teams are going through the same lockout and will experience a similar impact. There are a number of teams with new coaching staffs and they are at the biggest disadvantage. Yeah we've got 12 rookies but only 2 or 3 of them are likely to contribute immediately out of a 53 man roster so the impact there is minimal.

I'm a redskins fan but im a football fan first. I neleive a lifted lockout would ultimately result In an NFL where there is no draft and 5 percent of the players get 95 percent of the money. Ticket prices will increase out of control an the sport itself will suffer greatly as marquee teams collect all the top college talent. All the things we love about the game--- and the redskins--- would be greatly diminished. Were already neck deep in this. A little mre won't kill anyone

The Redskins are not the only team that will be affected but they are among the teams that will be most affected by this thing lasting into the late summer. What you will have is all the teams that were good last year and have things in place will be the teams that are good again. Basically it will be a continuation of last year. And I do not want to pay for a continuation of last year.

Also I do not believe that a lifted lockout would result in no draft and 5% of the players getting all the money. All it would do is force them to continue on with the season while they negotiated and it would create more leverage for the players. Also lets remember...the players didn't ask for anything other then what they already have. It's the owners who want give backs at a time when the league has never been more popular. The players are not looking to abolish the draft and ruine the league...they just want the same deal they had 2 years ago that the owners opted out of.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

The Redskins are not the only team that will be affected but they are among the teams that will be most affected by this thing lasting into the late summer. What you will have is all the teams that were good last year and have things in place will be the teams that are good again. Basically it will be a continuation of last year. And I do not want to pay for a continuation of last year.

Also I do not believe that a lifted lockout would result in no draft and 5% of the players getting all the money. All it would do is force them to continue on with the season while they negotiated and it would create more leverage for the players. Also lets remember...the players didn't ask for anything other then what they already have. It's the owners who want give backs at a time when the league has never been more popular. The players are not looking to abolish the draft and ruine the league...they just want the same deal they had 2 years ago that the owners opted out of.

There is a huge disconnect between what the players themselves ask for and what demaurice smith and the Nflpa's lawyers are asking for... Additionally, although you say the players are just asking for what they have now, you ignore the fact that that, by default, means the owners take less. Costs go up and the owners do not want to pass that expense on to the fans in the form of higher ticket prices. The players on the other hand have no qualms about passing on expenses to the fans as they've insisted that only revenues be shared and not expenses.

The players are 100% in the wrong and I hope, for the sake of the fans, and the game, that both sides resume talks ASAP. If the players elected president were willing to negotiate in good faith, the sport wouldn't be in this mess

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There is a huge disconnect between what the players themselves ask for and what demaurice smith and the Nflpa's lawyers are asking for... Additionally, although you say the players are just asking for what they have now, you ignore the fact that that, by default, means the owners take less. Costs go up and the owners do not want to pass that expense on to the fans in the form of higher ticket prices. The players on the other hand have no qualms about passing on expenses to the fans as they've insisted that only revenues be shared and not expenses.

The players are 100% in the wrong and I hope, for the sake of the fans, and the game, that both sides resume talks ASAP. If the players elected president were willing to negotiate in good faith, the sport wouldn't be in this mess

You make some good points about costs going up. I think our differences arrise in that your #1 priority is a deal thats best for the league overall no matter how long it takes to get it. My #1 priority is the 2011 Redskins and they are on life support and will not survive a late summer CBA...

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There is a huge disconnect between what the players themselves ask for and what demaurice smith and the Nflpa's lawyers are asking for... Additionally, although you say the players are just asking for what they have now, you ignore the fact that that, by default, means the owners take less. Costs go up and the owners do not want to pass that expense on to the fans in the form of higher ticket prices. The players on the other hand have no qualms about passing on expenses to the fans as they've insisted that only revenues be shared and not expenses.

The players are 100% in the wrong and I hope, for the sake of the fans, and the game, that both sides resume talks ASAP. If the players elected president were willing to negotiate in good faith, the sport wouldn't be in this mess

Sorry this is so long.
The Net Income is what everyone is arguing about, basically what money remains after all expenses and taxes are taken out of all the revenues. The Net Income varies wildly from team to team. That is the major hold up. The high market/high revenue teams refuse to release all revenue information because they do not want to share more revenue with the small market teams. How can you expect the players to make up all of the shortcoming and not expect the high revenue owners like the Redskins and Cowboys to pony up some as well? All the NFLPA is saying we are open to discuss giving money back, just release all of the revenue information.
The Packers are the only team that has publicly released their entire financial information only because they the only publicly traded team, otherwise we would not have their financial information either. The Packers are in one of the smallest markets in the NFL so it would be expected that their Net Income would be low. Yet they still pocketed $5.2 Million after all expenses.
Packers team treasurer Larry Weyers was quoted as saying, "The increase in the Packers’ net profit was driven by declining investment losses..",
Basically he is saying the driving force behind the drop in Net Income to the Packers is the declining investment from the outside companies. I work for a professional team and the biggest financial loss we suffered during the worst of this this recession about a year and half ago was that our corporate sponsorship deal revenue dropped by 50%. That is what he is talking about. But we have already started to see things going back to the direction of recovery although we are not yet back to normal. The small market teams return to normal will take longer.
The only reason the players have moved this process into the courts is to try and force the release of all of the revenue information. You can not negotiate in good faith if there is money being socked away by some of the owners.
This whole "small market teams" vs. "big market teams" issue has existed way before this labor agreement deal or the economic downturn. This is not something new. It is finally spilling over into the labor agreement because the Owners are asking for money back from the players.
This is not a 100% the players fault situation. It is bigger than that. Both share in the fault.