If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Universally? Where is your proof? This is a myth.

I would be willing to bet that at a fine institution such as East Carolina, football, at very best, is self sustaining from a financial perspective. But even that would put ECU in the minority of self-sustaining FB programs, so it certainly wouldn't shock me if their football program (along with the rest of C-USA) are running in the red.

First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «

Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «

Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.

College Football program. Shut down. That's a good one. I lol'ed.

You must not be familiar with the burden of proof concept. When you can't back up a claim, I can just tell you that you can't back up your claim, and then you have to go out and prove it.

Point of the Game: The Dominance and the Myth of College Football II

The football data highlights the nasty secret of football and college sport: the world segregates by the vast majority of haves-sort; some sort of haves; and a super elite of absurd abundance, rather like the modern U.S. wealth distribution system. A staggering 94 percent of college football programs lose money; their revenue streams do not cover the costs of the program. This refutes the often cited claim that football pays for the rest of the athletic program. In a very very very few programs, maybe 10, football may generate enough surplus to help support other college sports, but in the vast majority of programs football programs vacuum up 85 percent of the expenditures and do not cover their costs.

I am surprised that the University of Central Florida is one of the two or three programs in the nation that can sustain an athletics program based strictly off the revenues of its football program. I would not have expected that. I know, for a fact, they are pretty much alone in terms of colleges of their size.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

College Football program. Shut down. That's a good one. I lol'ed.

Hofstra Football Canceled: Program Shut Down, Report Says

Keep LOL'ing bro.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You must not be familiar with the burden of proof concept. When you can't back up a claim, I can just tell you that you can't back up your claim, and then you have to go out and prove it.

Point of the Game: The Dominance and the Myth of College Football II

?? You haven't backed up yours either.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I am surprised that the University of Central Florida is one of the two or three programs in the nation that can sustain an athletics program based strictly off the revenues of its football program. I would not have expected that. I know, for a fact, they are pretty much alone in terms of colleges of their size.

How do you know this for a fact? You have the numbers? For somebody claiming to know something as fact, you have shown very little evidence. I bet you quite a few universities can as well. West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, USF, and I can roll on down the list of BCS conferences and list their teams as well.

The football data highlights the nasty secret of football and college sport: the world segregates by the vast majority of haves-sort; some sort of haves; and a super elite of absurd abundance, rather like the modern U.S. wealth distribution system. A staggering 94 percent of college football programs lose money; their revenue streams do not cover the costs of the program. This refutes the often cited claim that football pays for the rest of the athletic program. In a very very very few programs, maybe 10, football may generate enough surplus to help support other college sports, but in the vast majority of programs football programs vacuum up 85 percent of the expenditures and do not cover their costs.

Where did this bullshit come from? Are they talking about all three divisions? (I,II,III??) Can you get something more credible?


Here you go.

How Profitable is Football in Conference USA? «

Take in consideration, this is the lowly Conference USA.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

?? You haven't backed up yours either.




How do you know this for a fact? You have the numbers? For somebody claiming to know something as fact, you have shown very little evidence. I bet you quite a few universities can as well. West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, USF, and I can roll on down the list of BCS conferences and list their teams as well.




Where did this bullshit come from? Are they talking about all three divisions? (I,II,III??) Can you get something more credible?


Here you go.

How Profitable is Football in Conference USA? «

Take in consideration, this is the lowly Conference USA.

My case is rested. I will read whatever links you post that suggest the contrary, but this topic was opened, you were called out, and was quickly and emphatically shut. You were wrong, and you have nowhere to go except backwards.

Points that are based solely on ones own "expertise" typically end up making the point maker look as foolish as you.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My case is rested. I will read whatever links you post that suggest the contrary, but this topic was opened, you were called out, and was quickly and emphatically shut. You were wrong, and you have nowhere to go except backwards.

Points that are based solely on ones own "expertise" typically end up making the point maker look as foolish as you.

Are you high?...lol What the hell are you even talking about? What was I called out on that I was quicky and emphatically shut? (or wrong for that matter?)

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are you high?...lol What the hell are you even talking about? What was I called out on that I was quicky and emphatically shut? (or wrong for that matter?)

The fact that the vast majority of football programs don't turn profits is easily provable, and was proven with the technical expertise of a Google search. This falls within the domain of common knowledge, since the 10 sources that come up first all say basically the same thing. It's not worth debating anyone who doesn't immediately accept fact as fact.

percentage of college football programs that lose money - Google Search

There are, of course, programs that do turn actual, real profits without having to fudge what is being included in revenues and expenses to do so. I was not surprised to see Texas, Notre Dame, and Penn State amongst the schools making a fortune off their program. I was surprised to see UCF there as well. That's all I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There are, of course, programs that do turn actual, real profits without having to fudge what is being included in revenues and expenses to do so. I was not surprised to see Texas, Notre Dame, and Penn State amongst the schools making a fortune off their program. I was surprised to see UCF there as well. That's all I'm saying.

From the link:
How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «

"As you can see, UCF turns a profit when it comes to strictly viewing team revenues and expenses thanks to profits from football and men’s basketball. This is before you add in their $17.5 million in student fees. However, it’s also before you add in costs like coaches salaries ($5.9m), recruiting ($559k), gameday operating expenses ($3.6m) and student aid ($5.7m). With those expenses included, it takes student fees, alumni contributions and other revenue from sources like licensing and advertising to allow UCF to turn an overall profit in the athletic department."

We would need to know the expenses specifically for football for coaches salaries, recruiting, gameday expenses, and student aid to determine if the football program at UCF is turning a stand-alone profit.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The fact that the vast majority of football programs don't turn profits is easily provable, and was proven with the technical expertise of a Google search. This falls within the domain of common knowledge, since the 10 sources that come up first all say basically the same thing. It's not worth debating anyone who doesn't immediately accept fact as fact.

percentage of college football programs that lose money - Google Search

I'm so confused and I think you are to. You've manage to take this quote of mine.

Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.

....and turn it into I said all football programs made a profit and sponsored their other programs in it and this applied across the board to Division I,II, and III.

Wow. Not sure who is worse at reading. You or SBXVII.


THEN you go on to say the following before doing any research.

I would be willing to bet that at a fine institution such as East Carolina, football, at very best, is self sustaining from a financial perspective.....so it certainly wouldn't shock me if their football program (along with the rest of C-USA) are running in the red.

As noted, our AD made 1.6 million last year in profit.
How Profitable is Football in Conference USA? «

So about that "bet"?


I'm not sure why you are claiming something that I have not said nor implied. Hell, the "google link" you put up there doesn't even show crap about what you are speaking about. A blog from some no name guy who doesn't even reference his stats? Are you serious?

If you are going to argue a point, at least make sure you are arguing the same point. It's obvious you aren't.


On to your point. How many of these schools in any of these conferences do you think lose money in college football? The below are the conferences that are in the division I of NCAA which we are talking about.

Division I (NCAA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia