ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

[MTK]

There are at least a dozen or so pro franchises in much worse shape than the Skins. Having them next to last is ridiculous.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There are at least a dozen or so pro franchises in much worse shape than the Skins. Having them next to last is ridiculous.

I blame George Bodenheimer aka Smootsmack.

[saden1]

Well, let's grade the Redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

1. Bang for the Buck - F (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an F I am all ears)
2. Players - C (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)
3. Fan Relations - F (It isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)
4. Affordability - F (Snyder doesn't make money based on volume)
5. Stadium Experience - D (go to some of the other Stadiums in the NFL and you shall know how truly shitty FedEx is)
6. Ownership - F (utter failure across the board and from every angle).
7. Title Track - D (8-8 spells average chances)
8. Coaching - D (can't judge Shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for Gibbs the grade would be an F)

If you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid F as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha!

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by saden1

well, let's grade the redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

1. bang for the buck - f (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an f i am all ears)
2. players - c (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)
3. fan relations - f (it isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)
4. affordability - f (snyder doesn't make money based on volume)
5. stadium experience - d (go to some of the other stadiums in the nfl and you shall know how truly shitty fedex is)
6. ownership - f (utter failure across the board and from every angle).
7. title track - d (8-8 spells average chances)
8. coaching - d (can't judge shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for gibbs the grade would be an f)

if you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid f as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha!

this

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

Well, let's grade the Redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

1. Bang for the Buck - F (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an F I am all ears)
2. Players - C (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)
3. Fan Relations - F (It isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)
4. Affordability - F (Snyder doesn't make money based on volume)
5. Stadium Experience - D (go to some of the other Stadiums in the NFL and you shall know how truly shitty FedEx is)
6. Ownership - F (utter failure across the board and from every angle).
7. Title Track - D (8-8 spells average chances)
8. Coaching - D (can't judge Shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for Gibbs the grade would be an F)

If you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid F as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha!

Pretty much. How people got so worked up over this is funny to me. "But.. but... we won 3 Super Bowls...." We sure did. Decades ago. Next to the Detroit Lions (who are arguably better and definitely younger/more talented than the Skins currently), we've been pretty much the league punch-line in several categories over the past 15 or so years.

Rich heritage, great tradition, great fan base... sure. You know who else has that? The Oakland Raiders. In recent years everyone has ragged on them as a joke.... And hell, they even played in a Super Bowl in the 2000's.

A large percentage of the smack that's thrown our way is deserved, and until we prove otherwise in the win-loss column, we're always going to be at or near the bottom of these lists. We're a highly profitable team, so for that Danny deserves credit (despite selling expired airline peanuts), but as far on the field product, we've been hot garbage for a while.

All this doesn't mean I don't love my Skins. I do. I just don't preemptively disappoint myself with delusional expectations of how we'll perform or how we'll be received. We are currently a joke and will remain so until we achieve something above mediocrity on the field. Deservedly so.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Pretty much. How people got so worked up over this is funny to me. "But.. but... we won 3 Super Bowls...." We sure did. Decades ago. Next to the Detroit Lions (who are arguably better and definitely younger/more talented than the Skins currently), we've been pretty much the league punch-line in several categories over the past 15 or so years.

Rich heritage, great tradition, great fan base... sure. You know who else has that? The Oakland Raiders. In recent years everyone has ragged on them as a joke.... And hell, they even played in a Super Bowl in the 2000's.

A large percentage of the smack that's thrown our way is deserved, and until we prove otherwise in the win-loss column, we're always going to be at or near the bottom of these lists. We're a highly profitable team, so for that Danny deserves credit (despite selling expired airline peanuts), but as far on the field product, we've been hot garbage for a while.

All this doesn't mean I don't love my Skins. I do. I just don't preemptively disappoint myself with delusional expectations of how we'll perform or how we'll be received. We are currently a joke and will remain so until we achieve something above mediocrity on the field. Deservedly so.

Not sure but isn't Dan suing someone for pointing out the same things.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Not sure but isn't Dan suing someone for pointing out the same things.

Yeah, not quite. But the fact many believe that is another sign of the failures if this franchise

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Pretty much. How people got so worked up over this is funny to me. "But.. but... we won 3 Super Bowls...." We sure did. Decades ago. Next to the Detroit Lions (who are arguably better and definitely younger/more talented than the Skins currently), we've been pretty much the league punch-line in several categories over the past 15 or so years.

Rich heritage, great tradition, great fan base... sure. You know who else has that? The Oakland Raiders. In recent years everyone has ragged on them as a joke.... And hell, they even played in a Super Bowl in the 2000's.

A large percentage of the smack that's thrown our way is deserved, and until we prove otherwise in the win-loss column, we're always going to be at or near the bottom of these lists. We're a highly profitable team, so for that Danny deserves credit (despite selling expired airline peanuts), but as far on the field product, we've been hot garbage for a while.

All this doesn't mean I don't love my Skins. I do. I just don't preemptively disappoint myself with delusional expectations of how we'll perform or how we'll be received. We are currently a joke and will remain so until we achieve something above mediocrity on the field. Deservedly so.

so unfortunately true, i just hope it's not much longer.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by saden1

Well, let's grade the Redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

1. Bang for the Buck - F (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an F I am all ears)
2. Players - C (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)
3. Fan Relations - F (It isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)
4. Affordability - F (Snyder doesn't make money based on volume)
5. Stadium Experience - D (go to some of the other Stadiums in the NFL and you shall know how truly shitty FedEx is)
6. Ownership - F (utter failure across the board and from every angle).
7. Title Track - D (8-8 spells average chances)
8. Coaching - D (can't judge Shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for Gibbs the grade would be an F)

If you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid F as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha!

What did Gibbs do in his 2nd tenure that was so great?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

What did Gibbs do in his 2nd tenure that was so great?

playoffs twice and 1 win. Better than any other coach