How far can Beck take us?

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Let's see how this year goes. He's had one year for crying out loud.

My words exactly.

[NLC1054]

It's funny how this fanbase is only capable of looking at two things---looking at the past, and looking at the future.

The Redskins haven't even put on the pads for their first preseason game, and we're already talking about Mike quitting, or resigning, or getting fired, or what kind of coach we need in the future? Can we at least let the kicker kick off before we start talking about who's quitting?

I see two things more than anything---"well in the past..." and "we need to do this in the future." Barely anything is about NOW.

And I think any shift in coaching now would completely negate what this team desperately needs; continuity.

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Please explain how "a faster tempo gives the offense more time to adjust". Seems to me that a faster tempo give neither side as much time to adjust.

Also, can someone demonstrate to me that the teams who made the Super Bowl in the last 3 or 4 years all played "uptempo on offense"? Frankly, I don't care nearly as much about offensive tempo as I do about offensive success. Are there really stats out there that demonstrate that "faster offense" is equal to "more succssful offense"?

A faster tempo means you're getting to the line of scrimmage with 15-20 seconds on the play clock and the defense is still moving around trying to get set. When you break the huddle and you have 5 seconds on the clock, you gotta snap the ball, no time to scan the defense, no time to figure who who's blitzing, no time for anything. The later you get out of the huddle, the harder it is. Getting into better plays, audibles, adjustments, hot routes. Those are all easier when you have time on the clock.

I'd say the Packers and the Saints both have that high energy, fast tempo offense. The Colts, naturally, the Giants can play that style of offense too. And even though the Steelers can be old school, you won't see Big Ben taking his time to get under center too often. Package that with the fact that McNabb struggled with the terminology at times and it makes things a LOT harder.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Let's see how this year goes. He's had one year for crying out loud.

...........get a rope...

[sportscurmudgeon]

A faster tempo means you're getting to the line of scrimmage with 15-20 seconds on the play clock and the defense is still moving around trying to get set. When you break the huddle and you have 5 seconds on the clock, you gotta snap the ball, no time to scan the defense, no time to figure who who's blitzing, no time for anything. The later you get out of the huddle, the harder it is. Getting into better plays, audibles, adjustments, hot routes. Those are all easier when you have time on the clock.

I'd say the Packers and the Saints both have that high energy, fast tempo offense. The Colts, naturally, the Giants can play that style of offense too. And even though the Steelers can be old school, you won't see Big Ben taking his time to get under center too often. Package that with the fact that McNabb struggled with the terminology at times and it makes things a LOT harder.[/QUOTE]


Using your example, if the offense breaks the huddle with 15-20 seconds on the play clock AND ALSO snaps the ball quickly, they MIGHT have an advantage over a defense that is still adjusting. However, if the offense breaks the huddle with 15 seconds on the clock and comes to the line of scrimmage and fiddle-dicks around with a bunch of shifts and fake audibles and finger-pointing at one of the defensive safeties, any tempo advantage would be lost.

I'd like to see stats on the Saints and Packers in terms of the number of plays they run per minute of offensive possession to agree they play significantly faster than anyone else.

The Colts get to the line fast and then spend a LOT of time with Peyton Manning pointing and changing calls. That works for the Colts because it is Peyton Manning executing the plays once the ball is snapped. Until I see it with my own two eyes, I am nowhere near ready to put John Beck or Rex Grossman in the same paragraph with Peyton Manning if the paragraph is about "great QBs".

The Giants play "uptempo offense". Really? I must have watched different Giants' games than you watched for the last several years.

[Landry44]

I can answer that question right now. Beck isn't taking this team anywhere but the first pick in the 2012 draft.

[skinsfaninok]

beck prob isn't our qb

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed. I'd bet on it too.

Also agreed. It would take an Urban Meyer type freak accident to get Shanahan to leave next year.

[wilsowilso]

John Beck's upside is Rex Grossman last year.

Do any of you realize how hard it is to play like Rex did for the Skins last year?

Maybe only thirty guys in the world can play like that.

(:

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Landry44

I can answer that question right now. Beck isn't taking this team anywhere but the first pick in the 2012 draft.

Quoted for truth.

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

not far...............4 and 12

Originally Posted by celts32

Maybe he will take us all the way to Andrew Luck.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

On what do you base these opinions? The guy hasn't thrown a pass in an NFL game since 2007! He has thrown exactly one TD in his entire four-year NFL career. I cannot see a single reason, other than blind faith in Shanny, for you to conclude that Beck can stabilize our QB position.

Originally Posted by huntz in response to celts' post

DITTO!!! Remember Spurrier? He had faith in Matthews and Danny Awful! Poor QB in the NFL = Poor season.

Originally Posted by irish

I read the question as its stated, how far can Beck take us, I didnt see where it said or implied if lots of holes are filled how far can Beck take us. You are correct, every team does have holes but the Skins have as many holes as a piece of Swiss cheese. This team isnt going anywhere. This is a 8-8 team at best.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69 in regards to how far Beck can take us

Not very far.

Originally Posted by saden1

He certainly will when he recks the train full of his bandwagoners in the preseason while Rex flys Redskin One into a 500 season.

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

To think we ditched probably better QB prospects over the past few seasons(Brennan, Daniel) to end up with Beck and Clemens is rather sobering.

Originally Posted by skinsnut

how far can Beck take us?
Probably at least to the McDonalds drive thru.
Anything else is gravy.
Expecting any more than a 6-10 season with this squad and him leading is crazy.

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

John Beck can take us onto the field, thats about it.

Originally Posted by saden1

Beck is a disaster waiting to unfolding. It's not going to be pretty trainwreck so you guys best have hardened stomach. I can't wait for this clown to go away.

I can stop quoting Saden now, his perspective is established.

Originally Posted by Eriwar

Beck can take us to the Number 1 over all pick in the draft. I say trade for Ryan Mallett before his value goes up even more. 6'6, canon arm, can read defenses......l'll take that guy. MS should not be so locked into the AL draft....looks like Dallas may have that pick and by the looks of it there going to have to tear that thing out the frame. What are the chances that guys is going to pan out.

[MTK]

Lots of crow to be served up in this piece. Hope you like it raw.

[Eriwar]

Beck can take us to the Number 1 over all pick in the draft. I say trade for Ryan Mallett before his value goes up even more. 6'6, canon arm, can read defenses......l'll take that guy. MS should not be so locked into the AL draft....looks like Dallas may have that pick and by the looks of it there going to have to tear that thing out the frame. What are the chances that guys is going to pan out.

[SmootSmack]

Now the Cowboys are getting Andrew Luck?

[mooby]

That's the first I've heard of the Cowboys being in the Luck sweepstakes. Most people think they are a playoff team or near it from what I hear.

[Lotus]

Hopefully the Cowboys miss Luck because they draft second.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by mooby

That's the first I've heard of the Cowboys being in the Luck sweepstakes. Most people think they are a playoff team or near it from what I hear.

Everyone ALWAYS thinks the cowbitches are going to the playoffs. They will be challenging us this year for the cellar in the NFC EAST methinks. Romo will be out by week 8, bank on it. (injury)