Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I want to ask you a question? I am done debating on Vick and Prison and all that, but i have seen some of your posts about Vick, and i really get the assumption that you wouldn't feel as negatively about Vick if he had only killed a human being.

Not trying to judge dude at all, but I've talked to alot of these Michael Vick haters at my new job, and the consensus among them, is being that Animals now hold surperior rights to a human being (you know the animal bill of rights and constitution and all that), If Vick would have killed a person, be it in murder or drunk driving, he would have gotten off lighter in the eyes of the fans.

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If M.Vick had done to a human what he did to a dog he would be on death row.Also wether you like it or not some pet owners honestly feel their pet is their family and in some cases they are.If you're all Vicked out cool then don't respond but he is a sadistic dog killer and you just don't wake up one monrning a say "oh gee wiz ...maybe I should'nt do that".He apologized becuae he got caught.Remember these were dogs of his that had lost so he drowed them ....animals that could not fight back, oh yeah give him 100 mil and say good job.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Giantone

If M.Vick had done to a human what he did to a dog he would be on death row.Also wether you like it or not some pet owners honestly feel their pet is their family and in some cases they are.If you're all Vicked out cool then don't respond but he is a sadistic dog killer and you just don't wake up one monrning a say "oh gee wiz ...maybe I should'nt do that".He apologized becuae he got caught.Remember these were dogs of his that had lost so he drowed them ....animals that could not fight back, oh yeah give him 100 mil and say good job.

He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Landry44

He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.

You really don'r understand the difference between hunting and
and "farming" to torture and murder, that's pretty ignorant.He's a "DOG KILLER" .....not a hunter ,and not a farmer.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You really don'r understand the difference between hunting and
and "farming" to torture and murder, that's pretty ignorant.He's a "DOG KILLER" .....not a hunter ,and not a farmer.

Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Landry44

Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.

Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.

Last time I checked cows, sheep, pigs and chickens are domesticated animals so farmers do kill domesticated animals. They arent pets but they are domesticated animals.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.

In fairness, Vick has done more than just "return to work". He has spoken on the topic, worked with the SPCA, sought advice from people like Tony Dungy. I'll give credit where credit is due - he certainly seems to be working towards redemption. I, as you, just don't think his "redemption" really been tested yet. It easy to "do the right thing" when the world is all rosy for you, let's see what happens Vick is no longer in the limelight.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Landry44

Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed.

Well, since everything eventually dies, it really doesn't matter how it happens does it?

Yes - how and why living things are killed does matter. Brutal torture of animals or humans is wrong.

Originally Posted by Landry44

The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.

He has a right to move on with his life and no one is preventing him from doing so - hence the $100 Million. As I have said, merely "serving your time" is the beginning of redemption, not its end. I am slowly (very slowly) coming around to the belief that he may have actually changed. If he continues his good works and continues to say and do the right things after football goes away, I will believe it. Until then, the question will always remain (to me anyway) - Is he truly sorry? Or is he just saying the right things so he can keep playing ball? Having someone like Dungy in his corner counts a long way for me.

But, whatever, he plays for the Eagles so I don't need to justify or parse my hatred of him.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Landry44

Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.

All the hunters I know respect the animals they hunt and make sure the meat goes to good use. You do understand that there are other animals people can eat besides cows, chickens, and pigs. you don't have to get your meat from a market.They also donate the meat.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Monday marked the beginning of firearm deer season in Pennsylvania and hunters have been out in full force.
The Game Commission estimates around 750,000 hunters were in the woods on the first day.
This year, many hunters will be sharing the wealth with local food banks.
The program is called “Hunters Sharing the Harvest” and it is the oldest and most successful program of its type in the U.S. Many hunters embrace the program and the opportunity to help the community.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Landry44

He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.

I think when you say farmers you really mean commercial feed lots. Anyone who has ever seen the inhumane conditions cows are made to endure in commercial feed lots (I have seen them in Nebraska) and has even a slight sense of compassion couldnt help but reconsider whether they should keep eating beef. That is as much a torture to cows as anything Vick did to his dogs.

On the $ side, there is no way Vick is worth that kind of $. He had a few good games and as usual tanked in the playoffs. Vick will never take a team all the way.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by irish

I think when you say farmers you really mean commercial feed lots. Anyone who has ever seen the inhumane conditions cows are made to endure in commercial feed lots (I have seen them in Nebraska) and has even a slight sense of compassion couldnt help but reconsider whether they should keep eating beef. That is as much a torture to cows as anything Vick did to his dogs.

On the $ side, there is no way Vick is worth that kind of $. He had a few good games and as usual tanked in the playoffs. Vick will never take a team all the way.

Yeah i saw a documentary on pig "farmers" once. Some of the most inhuman things ive ever seen or heard of in that program, much more inhumane then anything that happened at bad newz. And pigs are generally considered smarter than dogs, so it is likely they would object to their treatment more so then dogs.

I think something people refuse to acknowledge when it comes to certain kinds of animals is that there is a difference between pet animals and non-pet animals. The dogs Vick had wernt pets, they were sporting dogs. They wernt treated like Rover or my dog Freckles on the weekdays and then fought on the weekends, they were raised entirely different then a household pet. Similar to the pig documentary I saw, the pigs that were raised at the meat mill are raised differently than a pot belly pig your crazy neighbor may have.

I don’t think what Vick did was right whatsoever; however, I think people need to distinguish the environmental differences between a household pet and a animal raised for sport or slaughter. Fighting your girlfriend’s Maltese against your neighbor’s Yorkie is different than fighting pitbulls breed and raised for sport. Both wrong, albeit different. It’s a emotional issue that’s difficult for some to grasp. Either way im not going to say anything more on this, I just think its important that people consider theres a difference.

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[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Landry44

He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.

Judging by your response and the extent of the justifiable, resulting "piling on", one can only assume you're having Michael Vick's love child?