Week 3 TQBR Rankings

[Mechanix544]

This thing is too open to opinion. I think you lose too much in translation, and with 4 different people, you get 4 different ratings. I just think that the regular Quarterback rating is fine. I mean, if your QB had a game of over 80, he did well. If its 95 or over, he did damn well. and if its over 110, then he rocked the shit.

Like I said, this doesnt take into account responsibility for sacks, and for fumbles, two of the biggest things a quarterback does other than throw and make reads. Just a little too unsure of the whole process in which they get the numbers. The regular rating works for me, its an easy overall barometer, and you dont have to wait a full day so a panel can "look through the tape and make their determinations." The old rating is not perfect by any stretch, but I think I like it a little better, maybe its the comfort factor and Im just not used to the QBR, but something is telling me that I'll prefer the old tried and true method over this new one when it comes down to it. Its nice to have another gauge, but I prefer the old one.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

This thing is too open to opinion. I think you lose too much in translation, and with 4 different people, you get 4 different ratings. I just think that the regular Quarterback rating is fine. I mean, if your QB had a game of over 80, he did well. If its 95 or over, he did damn well. and if its over 110, then he rocked the shit.

Like I said, this doesnt take into account responsibility for sacks, and for fumbles, two of the biggest things a quarterback does other than throw and make reads. Just a little too unsure of the whole process in which they get the numbers. The regular rating works for me, its an easy overall barometer, and you dont have to wait a full day so a panel can "look through the tape and make their determinations." The old rating is not perfect by any stretch, but I think I like it a little better, maybe its the comfort factor and Im just not used to the QBR, but something is telling me that I'll prefer the old tried and true method over this new one when it comes down to it. Its nice to have another gauge, but I prefer the old one.

The old passer rating is turrible and in need of its own Lucas Critique. Four factors go into its calculation. Completion %, Yards/att, TD/att, and INT/att. It ignores a shitload of data. Actually, once you think about it, it's basically fantasy football scoring except it has completion percentage and the weights are different for each category.

[dgack]

I just think that the regular Quarterback rating is fine. I mean, if your QB had a game of over 80, he did well. If its 95 or over, he did damn well. and if its over 110, then he rocked the shit.

This made me want to look up single season QB ratings throughout the history of the team.

I know the "old" QB rating is un-sexy and inaccurate now that we have the ESPN TQBR, but since I can't apply a TQBR formula to the data from Pro-football-reference I can't see where Sexy Rexy stacks up compared to past Redskins QBs.

But if we look at single-season QB Ratings for all Washington QB's, the top 25 list looks like this:

 #    Name           Year      Rate      Age   G     GS
01    Sammy Baugh      1945     109.9    31    08    08
02    Mark Rypien      1991*     97.9    29    16    16
03    Joe Theismann    1983*     97.0    34    16    16
04    Sonny Jurgensen  1974      94.5    40    14    04
05    Sammy Baugh      1947      92.0    33    12    01
06    Sonny Jurgensen  1970      91.5    36    14    14
07    Joe Theismann    1982*     91.3    33    09    09
08    Brad Johnson     1999*     90.0    31    16    16
09    Mark Rypien      1989*     88.1    27    14    14
10    Sonny Jurgensen  1967*     87.3    33    14    14
11    Joe Theismann    1984      86.6    35    16    16
12    Mark Brunell     2006      86.5    36    10    09
13    Jason Campbell   2009      86.4    28    16    16
14    Rex Grossman     2011      86.4    31    03    03
15    Eddie LeBaron    1957*     86.1    27    12    12
16    Frank Filchock   1944      86.0    28    10    06
17    Mark Brunell     2005      85.9    35    16    15
18    Sonny Jurgensen  1969*     85.4    35    14    14
19    Sonny Jurgensen  1964*     85.4    30    14    14
20    Mark Rypien      1988      85.2    26    09    06
21    Billy Kilmer     1972*     84.8    33    12    10
22    Sonny Jurgensen  1966*     84.5    32    14    14
23    Jason Campbell   2008      84.3    27    16    16
24    Joe Theismann    1979      83.9    30    16    16
25    Billy Kilmer     1974      83.5    35    11    10

Asterisks represent Pro Bowl seasons.

So we've had three players in history who garnered a 95+ passer rating over a single season. According to PFR, there have been 108 players in league history to do finish the season with a 95 or better.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dgack

This made me want to look up single season QB ratings throughout the history of the team.

I know the "old" QB rating is un-sexy and inaccurate now that we have the ESPN TQBR, but since I can't apply a TQBR formula to the data from Pro-football-reference I can't see where Sexy Rexy stacks up compared to past Redskins QBs.

But if we look at single-season QB Ratings for all Washington QB's, the top 25 list looks like this:

 #    Name           Year      Rate      Age   G     GS
01    Sammy Baugh      1945     109.9    31    08    08
02    Mark Rypien      1991*     97.9    29    16    16
03    Joe Theismann    1983*     97.0    34    16    16
04    Sonny Jurgensen  1974      94.5    40    14    04
05    Sammy Baugh      1947      92.0    33    12    01
06    Sonny Jurgensen  1970      91.5    36    14    14
07    Joe Theismann    1982*     91.3    33    09    09
08    Brad Johnson     1999*     90.0    31    16    16
09    Mark Rypien      1989*     88.1    27    14    14
10    Sonny Jurgensen  1967*     87.3    33    14    14
11    Joe Theismann    1984      86.6    35    16    16
12    Mark Brunell     2006      86.5    36    10    09
13    Jason Campbell   2009      86.4    28    16    16
14    Rex Grossman     2011      86.4    31    03    03
15    Eddie LeBaron    1957*     86.1    27    12    12
16    Frank Filchock   1944      86.0    28    10    06
17    Mark Brunell     2005      85.9    35    16    15
18    Sonny Jurgensen  1969*     85.4    35    14    14
19    Sonny Jurgensen  1964*     85.4    30    14    14
20    Mark Rypien      1988      85.2    26    09    06
21    Billy Kilmer     1972*     84.8    33    12    10
22    Sonny Jurgensen  1966*     84.5    32    14    14
23    Jason Campbell   2008      84.3    27    16    16
24    Joe Theismann    1979      83.9    30    16    16
25    Billy Kilmer     1974      83.5    35    11    10

Asterisks represent Pro Bowl seasons.

So we've had three players in history who garnered a 95+ passer rating over a single season. According to PFR, there have been 108 players in league history to do finish the season with a 95 or better.

Whoa, how did you do that? Just type [code][/code']?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

This thing is too open to opinion. I think you lose too much in translation, and with 4 different people, you get 4 different ratings.

I don't think that is true.
I'm sure there are written parameters for grading what they wee.

Heck, I've graded the same game as a friend of mine.
Without ever consulting the parameters before hand.
Our breakdown of what we saw on the film was almost the same.
I trust that ESPN takes the stat seriously enough to be football honest.

My main problem with the old QBR all stats were created equal.
A QB could fumble and throw a pick 2 get his team down by 2 scores.
He might put up good stats via the old QBR because he might hit a couple of meaningless touchdowns against prevent but the fact that his own poor play to start the game was the reason he accumulated the stats in the first place is lost.