Who do you want to start at QB?

tc2deuce · 10-18-2011, 09:06 AM

Rex is like blood in the water...the Defense smell it the minute he steps on the field. Right now Beck has the confidence that this team needs to see in the huddle.

Giantone · 10-18-2011, 09:35 AM

....thought it would be interesting to look at this again.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...arting-qb.html

44ever · 10-18-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

....thought it would be interesting to look at this again.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...arting-qb.html

I'll tell you what, that guy 44ever's posts on page 7-9 are amazingly insightful...

CRedskinsRule · 10-18-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

....thought it would be interesting to look at this again.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...arting-qb.html

Why did you think that would be interesting? Honest question, after all there was a poll where I believe a large majority wanted Beck but a substantial minority wanted Grossman. Also, not many of us(if any) are sold on Beck or Grossman leading this team after this year, and so why would a thread where a fan base comes to accept the decision made by their team be of any exciting interest? Again, seriously wondering what made you think it.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

LMAO! Hey check out this list of Studs!! We even have a few Vagiants on there, but Todd Collins will always be my personal fav!
Redskins Starting Quarterbacks 1990 - Present

My Fav was Brad Johnson

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 09:53 AM

At this point I don't care. Personally if Beck was any better he'd have been starting already, but he was not .... most likely for a reason. I think the situation was this;

Grossman- Knows the playbook inside and out and is able to switch the play at the LOS to a more favorable play the defense is giving him. I think he's more accurate on the deep passes. Definitly a pocket passer and poised.

Beck- Has better legs for roll outs and for running if need be. Has a stronger arm and can throw the ball farther, but is not as accurate on the deep ball.

I think due to both not being a complete package the coaching staff had to decide what they wanted from a QB and had to decide which QB was better suited. I think in the end Grossman won the job because of his ability to switch the play.

I don't hate Beck, but if he was better he already would have been starting. At this point I hope they do start Beck. Like the rest of you lets see what he "can" and or "can't" do. Trust me I was just as excited prior to the season starting with the assumption that Beck was starting simply because Grossman can not scramble for a 1st down to save his life, but I accepted that there was a reason Beck was not starting. The problems I think we will see is more sacks because Beck will probably not change the play at the LOS and will run the play sent in which will result in a sack. He'll make some good plays just like Grossman did but I honestly don't think either QB will out play the other and the fans who have been clamering for the change will be slightly dissapointed.

All in all ...... this team needs more OL depth next year and a QB out of the draft.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

No, not at all. If we truly want to win this season get Carson Palmer. The Bengals are ready to deal. VY is a headcase. He can't make the adjustment from God at Texas to just a NFL starting QB. In saying this, I am not saying I want Palmer, just saying if you want a real franchise type QB NOW get Palmer. Young is a wash in my book. Yeah, you can get him cheap, but he would be another McNabb at best.

LOL, please don't tell me people are still chanting the Young name? I was suprised at all the Young fans here who wanted the team to pick him up and thank god we didn't because just look how bad he is. Two times he was put in the game and he sucked. I have an Eagle fan I work with who is bad mouthing Young because he sucks.

I'm not a Palmer fan and really don't think he's much better then Grossman or Beck but trading this late in the season? he wouldn't be worth a start until next year after he's had time to digest the scheme and play calls.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 09:58 AM

I will be HYPED if I hear Beck gets the job, if he says Rex is the guy still I will vomit

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I will be HYPED if I hear Beck gets the job, if he says Rex is the guy still I will vomit

Well the good news for you is we should find out by Wed. I'm just seriously hoping Beck doesn't let you down on Sun.

Lotus · 10-18-2011, 10:07 AM

This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well the good news for you is we should find out by Wed. I'm just seriously hoping Beck doesn't let you down on Sun.

Rex has had 9 Int's (League High) in the last 4 games, IDT Beck can be any worse lol

Alvin Walton · 10-18-2011, 10:14 AM

Personally I don't think it matters.
The QB we need to take us to the playoffs is not on the roster.
I'd rather just go thru the motions, finish the season and hopefully find a way to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft next year.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 10:18 AM

Here's another opinion of the situation...

Why Mike Shanahan may start Grossman over Beck

Grossman may have thrown a ton of INT's but I also have seen a ton of balls that should have been caught or the receiver should have made and attempt to go up after the ball and or fight for it. Our receivers are not the type to go up and challenge for a ball in the air. Heck our receivers are not the types to be told the ball will be in the center of the field on the 10 yard line go get it. I wish we did have those types of WR's but we don't. Which is why I can see Beck throwing just as many INT's as Grossman because although Beck has a stronger arm and will throw the ball farther.... I can see where the receiver's won't go after the ball and the other teams Safeties or CB's will.

44ever · 10-18-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.

If one is available, I'm right with you on this Lotus.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Personally I don't think it matters.
The QB we need to take us to the playoffs is not on the roster.
I'd rather just go thru the motions, finish the season and hopefully find a way to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft next year.

So then it begs the question, are you requesting the team tank the year to get high enough in the draft to pick said 2nd or 3rd best QB? I don't want to see us tank because there are fans out there who would be shouting for MS to be fired and someone else brought in.

I too agree with you that our franchise QB is not on the roster though. I don't know who said it or wrote it but I had seen or heard somewhere that it might take like 3, 1st round draft picks to move up to 1st place. I'm not for that either. But whoever the team is eyeing has to be mobile as all get out and have a strong arm to throw deep.

The other side of the coin is if the team is just not all there yet and yeah we might make the play offs but no much farther then I'd also like to see us playing the young WR's more to get them ready for next year also. Why each week one Rookie WR can't be active to get playing time is a wonder to me.

View Poll Results: Who Do You Want Starting at QB Opening Day?
John Beck	123	73.65%
Rex Grossman	44	26.35%
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10-18-2011, 09:06 AM	#511
tc2deuce Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 363	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Rex is like blood in the water...the Defense smell it the minute he steps on the field. Right now Beck has the confidence that this team needs to see in the huddle.

10-18-2011, 09:35 AM	#512
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,429	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? ....thought it would be interesting to look at this again. http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...arting-qb.html __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

10-18-2011, 09:53 AM	#516
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? At this point I don't care. Personally if Beck was any better he'd have been starting already, but he was not .... most likely for a reason. I think the situation was this; Grossman- Knows the playbook inside and out and is able to switch the play at the LOS to a more favorable play the defense is giving him. I think he's more accurate on the deep passes. Definitly a pocket passer and poised. Beck- Has better legs for roll outs and for running if need be. Has a stronger arm and can throw the ball farther, but is not as accurate on the deep ball. I think due to both not being a complete package the coaching staff had to decide what they wanted from a QB and had to decide which QB was better suited. I think in the end Grossman won the job because of his ability to switch the play. I don't hate Beck, but if he was better he already would have been starting. At this point I hope they do start Beck. Like the rest of you lets see what he "can" and or "can't" do. Trust me I was just as excited prior to the season starting with the assumption that Beck was starting simply because Grossman can not scramble for a 1st down to save his life, but I accepted that there was a reason Beck was not starting. The problems I think we will see is more sacks because Beck will probably not change the play at the LOS and will run the play sent in which will result in a sack. He'll make some good plays just like Grossman did but I honestly don't think either QB will out play the other and the fans who have been clamering for the change will be slightly dissapointed. All in all ...... this team needs more OL depth next year and a QB out of the draft.

10-18-2011, 09:58 AM	#518
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,185	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? I will be HYPED if I hear Beck gets the job, if he says Rex is the guy still I will vomit __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

10-18-2011, 10:07 AM	#520
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB. But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny Last edited by Lotus; 10-18-2011 at 10:08 AM.

10-18-2011, 10:14 AM	#522
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Personally I don't think it matters. The QB we need to take us to the playoffs is not on the roster. I'd rather just go thru the motions, finish the season and hopefully find a way to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft next year. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

10-18-2011, 10:18 AM	#523
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Here's another opinion of the situation... Why Mike Shanahan may start Grossman over Beck Grossman may have thrown a ton of INT's but I also have seen a ton of balls that should have been caught or the receiver should have made and attempt to go up after the ball and or fight for it. Our receivers are not the type to go up and challenge for a ball in the air. Heck our receivers are not the types to be told the ball will be in the center of the field on the 10 yard line go get it. I wish we did have those types of WR's but we don't. Which is why I can see Beck throwing just as many INT's as Grossman because although Beck has a stronger arm and will throw the ball farther.... I can see where the receiver's won't go after the ball and the other teams Safeties or CB's will.

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