The Shanaplan Gets Accelerated

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

After the 2010 debacle that was McNabb/Haynesworth, etc. it was pretty clear that the Shanahan era was going to be a longer evolution. Last offseason was primarily built around remaking the defense to be younger, faster and stronger while trying to get by on offense with minor improvements thru the draft. Now however we are going to see what the team has at key offensive positions..

QB-Beck has basically 3/4 of a season to determine his future as a Redskin and our decision in the 1st round of the 2012 draft. Best case is that he develops into a slightly above average QB that's capable of putting up good numbers and leading the team to a some wins (a la Matt Schaub) or he becomes a career backup, maybe holding the position for 2012 while a rookie learns behind him.

RB-I'm somewhat surprised that Royster wasn't added from the PS with Hightower going down but I think Tim may have been one and done anyways as a Redskin. Now, Torrain and Helu will get more time and we can either see if they are a legit one two punch or if either of them distinguishes himself as the feature back.

WR-While Moss signed a 3 year deal when the lockout ended, he may have one more year after this one as a serviceable WR. With his injury and the continued mediocrity of Armstrong & Stallworth, Niles Paul and Hankerson have a chance to make an impact and show an indication if they can be reliable options in the passing game. Come week 12-17, if they are not active and in the rotation on a consistent basis, that's cause for concern.

OL-I don't think Erik Cook was ever supposed to be more than a depth player but with him being the starting center for the foreseeable future, Shanny and Forester can determine if he is a quality backup, potential starter or just someone else on the 53.

I am by no means throwing in the towel and saying 'play the kids' but by circumstance we should have a much better read on the near term future state of our team in the coming weeks and months.

QB-With all the talk about "play the kids" I'm supprised people seem to still want Beck, a 30 y/o QB who's 1st game was no more or no less impressive then the 31 y/o Grossman. I'm starting the chant for Crompton. Maybe after 3 more games which turn out the same Beck can be benched for the QB on the PS who's only 24 y/o. He's our future.

RB-Yeah I don't know why they didn't promote Royster. I guess they figured between Torain, Hulu, Youg (FB), Seller (FB), Davis (TE), Paulson (TE), and maybe Banks they have enough runners. The team needs to start using Banks in the screen passes. Maybe one good run and the defense will have to account for him on the field.

WR-I hate to say it but Moss was our only WR who could be trusted to make the catch. Yet even he had a ball he tipped for an interception. What WR do we have that makes other teams scared? AA, Stallworth, Gaffney? They are not catching any deep balls. Austin and Paul need to step up big and make a deep catch. Make the defense spread out.

OL-The new guys played admirably last week. I think they did pretty good holding their own. Maybe they get better over the season and become quite a suprise.

DL-Needs to get a pass rush going again.

LB-Need to stay in their lanes to stop the run.

CB-Wow if there was ever a position that needs to prove itself this week.

S-Keep Barnes out of the safety position. I don't recall anytime where he broke up a play or hit a WR. I thought he was playing two hand touch football.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

QB-With all the talk about "play the kids" I'm supprised people seem to still want Beck, a 30 y/o QB who's 1st game was no more or no less impressive then the 31 y/o Grossman. I'm starting the chant for Crompton. Maybe after 3 more games which turn out the same Beck can be benched for the QB on the PS who's only 24 y/o. He's our future.

I'm with you. Part of me wants to play Crompton NOW, but that would be foolhardy. If Beck doesn't start clicking in the next few weeks, though...

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm with you. Part of me wants to play Crompton NOW, but that would be foolhardy. If Beck doesn't start clicking in the next few weeks, though...

Now, now.... I'm atleast a gentleman. Grossman got 4 games this year, Beck should be given the same amount of games. If nothing seems to change (as I expect it not to) then I'd make the change to Crompton for atleast 4 games to see if he's worth keeping next year or not.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Now, now.... I'm atleast a gentleman. Grossman got 4 games this year, Beck should be given the same amount of games. If nothing seems to change (as I expect it not to) then I'd make the change to Crompton for atleast 4 games to see if he's worth keeping next year or not.

If it does change, I'm sure you will be salty.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm with you. Part of me wants to play Crompton NOW, but that would be foolhardy. If Beck doesn't start clicking in the next few weeks, though...

It doesn't matter what QB they start, with the lack of talent at WR the end result will be the same.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Brody81

It doesn't matter what QB they start, with the lack of talent at WR the end result will be the same.

this..

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

QB-With all the talk about "play the kids" I'm supprised people seem to still want Beck, a 30 y/o QB who's 1st game was no more or no less impressive then the 31 y/o Grossman. I'm starting the chant for Crompton. Maybe after 3 more games which turn out the same Beck can be benched for the QB on the PS who's only 24 y/o. He's our future.

Similar to how Clinton Portis was still "young" at age 28 while he was old in terms of wear and tear, John Beck is the opposite, being old in total years but not that old in terms of use or wear. I see Beck auditioning for two jobs: the starter spot and the backup QB spot. He will have to make one spot or the other to stick. Ideally, he wins the starter job and everyone's happy, but not all is lost since if he wins the backup job, that means we don't need to worry about having a flaky QB like Kyle Boller or David Carr taking the reins for our new QB.

John Beck will likely not impede the draft choices for a QB in the future since he is likely to ultimately be our Todd Collins. But there are games still to be played before that projection, or the more optimistic and pessimistic ones, becomes reality.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Similar to how Clinton Portis was still "young" at age 28 while he was old in terms of wear and tear, John Beck is the opposite, being old in total years but not that old in terms of use or wear. I see Beck auditioning for two jobs: the starter spot and the backup QB spot. He will have to make one spot or the other to stick. Ideally, he wins the starter job and everyone's happy, but not all is lost since if he wins the backup job, that means we don't need to worry about having a flaky QB like Kyle Boller or David Carr taking the reins for our new QB.

John Beck will likely not impede the draft choices for a QB in the future since he is likely to ultimately be our Todd Collins. But there are games still to be played before that projection, or the more optimistic and pessimistic ones, becomes reality.

I'm not saying he's worthless or that he has been rode hard and put away wet for a lot of years. I was refering to his age. I know he has had very little playing time and the problem is ...it's probably for a reason. I'm hedging my bet that Beck will not be that much of an improvement if at all over Grossman and the most of you all would like to see him gone. To me, Beck is a nice insurance policy as a second string QB. You guys can't tell me you guys would not be playing Newton or Dalton over Beck. Heck at this point I'd play Tebow over Beck.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm not saying he's worthless or that he has been rode hard and put away wet for a lot of years. I was refering to his age. I know he has had very little playing time and the problem is ...it's probably for a reason. I'm hedging my bet that Beck will not be that much of an improvement if at all over Grossman and the most of you all would like to see him gone. To me, Beck is a nice insurance policy as a second string QB. You guys can't tell me you guys would not be playing Newton or Dalton over Beck. Heck at this point I'd play Tebow over Beck.

Read more closely, I'm not hyping up Beck as a sure starter. In fact, the likely outcome will be a Todd Collins for us. But his lack of success at age 30 needs to account for the fact that a Mormon mission "suspended" his career. Hence, he still can add some things to his game in order to become something worth to us, either as a starter(less likely) or a backup(more likely). I stated that I would love to have our backup QB set so we don't have trot out a Kyle Boller or David Carr instead in case the "future" QB we take or find through UDFA gets hurt. Not once did I insinuate that I'd rather have Beck over Newton. But we don't have a ****ing Cam Newton here, so let's see if this guy(who came for free) can be something worthwhile here, and if he's a good backup, then that's fine, since teams do need a capable veteran backup.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Read more closely, I'm not hyping up Beck as a sure starter. In fact, the likely outcome will be a Todd Collins for us. But his lack of success at age 30 needs to account for the fact that a Mormon mission "suspended" his career. Hence, he still can add some things to his game in order to become something worth to us, either as a starter(less likely) or a backup(more likely). I stated that I would love to have our backup QB set so we don't have trot out a Kyle Boller or David Carr instead in case the "future" QB we take or find through UDFA gets hurt. Not once did I insinuate that I'd rather have Beck over Newton. But we don't have a ****ing Cam Newton here, so let's see if this guy(who came for free) can be something worthwhile here, and if he's a good backup, then that's fine, since teams do need a capable veteran backup.

Came for free? Hello our secondary has been reeling since we lost Doug Dutch.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Came for free? Hello our secondary has been reeling since we lost Doug Dutch.

Aha! I've been caught.

Sike.

We got Dutch back later that season. We signed him to the PS in December. Then we let him walk. Except for the time lost from we we traded him, we ultimately lost nothing.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Read more closely, I'm not hyping up Beck as a sure starter. In fact, the likely outcome will be a Todd Collins for us. But his lack of success at age 30 needs to account for the fact that a Mormon mission "suspended" his career. Hence, he still can add some things to his game in order to become something worth to us, either as a starter(less likely) or a backup(more likely). I stated that I would love to have our backup QB set so we don't have trot out a Kyle Boller or David Carr instead in case the "future" QB we take or find through UDFA gets hurt. Not once did I insinuate that I'd rather have Beck over Newton. But we don't have a ****ing Cam Newton here, so let's see if this guy(who came for free) can be something worthwhile here, and if he's a good backup, then that's fine, since teams do need a capable veteran backup.

I think SBXVII should play QB, I'm sure he would do better.