There goes the neighborhood - Tunisia Edition

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct that the Copts, and others, suffer repression in some Muslim lands. That is a reprehensible reality.

But it is also true that Muslims suffer intolerance and discrimination, sometimes violently, in France, the UK, the USA, and other "Christian" places. Religious intolerance is sadly ubiquitous. So the problem is not just Islam vs. democracy.

Put differently, if the presence of religious intolerance indicates "incompatibility" with democracy then democracy is incompatible everywhere on the planet.

The problem is that unfortunately there are close-minded, hate-filled, and sometimes violent people everywhere.

No, that is not the problem with me, the people that I know and I do not believe this country as a whole. I doubt that is the problem in the UK, France as well. And at what time does discrimination and intolerance open the door for mass murder.....Repeatedly and unendingly in the name of Allah??
I am tired of the terrorist nature of the Jihadist hiding behind some idiotic pretense of the Islamic religion while they bomb, execute and maim innocents (Oh and I left out "behead" on the internet) without regard to woman...and even children. That is the problem with the......Peaceful nature of the Muslim....
Do all Muslims fit in that category...NO. I am sure they are but a small percentage, but they are being allowed to speak and act for the many millions that are truly peace loving.
I personally could care less who you are or what you believe. Be a good neighbor, Don't kill people, Don't F.. with anybody...have a nice day.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Hog1

No, that is not the problem with me, the people that I know and I do not believe this country as a whole. I doubt that is the problem in the UK, France as well. And at what time does discrimination and intolerance open the door for mass murder.....Repeatedly and unendingly in the name of Allah??
I am tired of the terrorist nature of the Jihadist hiding behind some idiotic pretense of the Islamic religion while they bomb, execute and maim innocents (Oh and I left out "behead" on the internet) without regard to woman...and even children.

I think you just described the Catholic church and christianity since it's induction into humanity. Irony to say the least.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Hog1

No, that is not the problem with me, the people that I know and I do not believe this country as a whole. I doubt that is the problem in the UK, France as well. And at what time does discrimination and intolerance open the door for mass murder.....Repeatedly and unendingly in the name of Allah??
I am tired of the terrorist nature of the Jihadist hiding behind some idiotic pretense of the Islamic religion while they bomb, execute and maim innocents (Oh and I left out "behead" on the internet) without regard to woman...and even children. That is the problem with the......Peaceful nature of the Muslim....
Do all Muslims fit in that category...NO. I am sure they are but a small percentage, but they are being allowed to speak and act for the many millions that are truly peace loving.
I personally could care less who you are or what you believe. Be a good neighbor, Don't kill people, Don't F.. with anybody...have a nice day.

I agree that Islamic terrorism is a terrible scourge.

But what was mentioned above is something different: local neighborhood anti-Coptic repression in Egypt and similar realities. This problem is structurally similar to mosque burnings in Tennessee. It is a problem of local intolerance rather than global terrorism.

In the end I agree with you. Violence resulting from religious intolerance has no place in any society.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by lotus

i agree that islamic terrorism is a terrible scourge.

But what was mentioned above is something different: Local neighborhood anti-coptic repression in egypt and similar realities. This problem is structurally similar to mosque burnings in tennessee. It is a problem of local intolerance rather than global terrorism.

In the end i agree with you. violence resulting from religious intolerance has no place in any society.

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httr.....

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

But what was mentioned above is something different: local neighborhood anti-Coptic repression in Egypt and similar realities. This problem is structurally similar to mosque burnings in Tennessee. It is a problem of local intolerance rather than global terrorism.

Anti-Copt repression in Egypt is part of the Pact of Umar and imposition of Dhimmitude as I previously mentioned and nothing to do with, or to be falsely be compared to, ONE mosque getting burnt out by some idiot white supremacists.

Mosque burnings? Rhetoric at its finest! I'm now convinced that Lotus is part of the problem.

Look up the FBI stats on hate crimes, see who's at the top with 72%.

[Lotus]

Redskin Rat, once again the only problem is that you refuse to admit when you are wrong.

Let's leaving aside other examples which only serve to confuse you and focus on just one example. Turkey has been both democratic and Islamic for 88 years. Therefore your statement that there are no examples of the compatibility of Islam and democracy has an 88 year track record of being wrong. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE.

Intelligent conversation involves changing one's notion to fit the evidence. Yet again and again you fit the evidence to meet you preconceived notions.

There is no further point in my arguing with someone who ignores examples which do not fit their preconceived notions. There is no further point in my arguing with someone who uses outdated concepts and outdated statistics. But most of all, there is no further point in my arguing with someone who refuses to admit when they are patently mistaken.

The rest of this thread is full of posters who have intelligent things to say. I don't always agree with them but at least they are engaging in good-faith intelligent conversation. I see no point in dragging that conversation down by responding to you further.

As one last note, once again you have launched a personal attack against me rather than admit that you are mistaken. That is a pretty sucky thing to do. It conversation with you less than pointless.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Redskin Rat, once again the only problem is that you refuse to admit when you are wrong.

So at least I'm consistent, right?
Are you even reading my rebuttals or is your bias just clouding your ability to look at anyone else’s opinion as anything other than invalid?

Originally Posted by Lotus

Let's leaving aside other examples which only serve to confuse you

I'm far from confused, sweetie.....

Originally Posted by Lotus

and focus on just one example. Turkey has been both democratic and Islamic for 88 years. Therefore your statement that there are no examples of the compatibility of Islam and democracy has an 88 year track record of being wrong. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE.

As I previously stated 'despite' islam. There has been a ongoing and aggressive attempt at de-democratizing Turkey halted only by the military/secular powers. To argue otherwise is to either be so ignorant of the situation that your opinion should not be taken seriously or that it's a deliberate attempt at misinformation.

Originally Posted by Lotus

Intelligent conversation involves changing one's notion to fit the evidence. Yet again and again you fit the evidence to meet you preconceived notions.

Until I agree with your position I doubt that you'd see my side as intelligent. See my next statement.

Originally Posted by Lotus

There is no further point in my arguing with someone who ignores examples which do not fit their preconceived notions. There is no further point in my arguing with someone who uses outdated concepts and outdated statistics. But most of all, there is no further point in my arguing with someone who refuses to admit when they are patently mistaken.

Classic argument from an 'educator', my sister-in-law pulls that shit all the time when she's losing her position.

Originally Posted by Lotus

The rest of this thread is full of posters who have intelligent things to say.

Sure.......<rolls_eyes>

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't always agree with them

Most of us (judging by this forum) can barely agree on how to support our team!

Originally Posted by Lotus

.... but at least they are engaging in good-faith intelligent conversation. I see no point in dragging that conversation down by responding to you further.

Then don't, you've failed at every opportunity to actually SUBSTANTIATE your position. Just telling me you're right isn't the kind of evidence I'll accept.

Originally Posted by Lotus

As one last note, once again you have launched a personal attack against me rather than admit that you are mistaken. That is a pretty sucky thing to do. It conversation with you less than pointless.

Personal attack? Saying (tongue-n-cheek) that you are part of the problem? You CAN'T be THAT sensitive.......

'Sucky'.......**** sake!