49ers vs. Redskins Game Day Thread

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mike Shanahan: 11-6




Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.

Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

Most people thought he was nothing but a college coach, not me.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

He built it around a system that let Alex be the most productive he can be, and that is put an emphasis on the running game still to keep the pressure off of him. He doesn't really attempt that many passes, but when he does he is indeed accurate like you say.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

He built it around a system that let Alex be the most productive he can be, and that is put an emphasis on the running game still to keep the pressure off of him. He doesn't really attempt that many passes, but when he does he is indeed accurate like you say.

I wish we could get a coaching staff that does this. It seems that the past couple of years we have coaches that have a scheme and stick to that scheme regardless whether the players fit it or not.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I wish we could get a coaching staff that does this. It seems that the past couple of years we have coaches that have a scheme and stick to that scheme regardless whether the players fit it or not.

Children like Kyle Shanahan dont seem to get that.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Children like Kyle Shanahan dont seem to get that.

Smith is a lot better than Grossman or Beck, hence the difference. Smith has been lacking confidence, not talent. Harbaugh has put him in a position to succeed slowly and adding more each week as he starts to improve and it shows.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I wish we could get a coaching staff that does this. It seems that the past couple of years we have coaches that have a scheme and stick to that scheme regardless whether the players fit it or not.

I'm actually thinking that our thought processes are ass backwards. I've argued as well as anyone that coach's need to develope players and need to utilize the talent they have on this team or rather make the scheme work around the talent on the team.

But maybe, just maybe, we are all wrong and it's more about keeping the coaching staff around long enough to get the personel on this team that fits the scheme. .... and consistancy, meaning keeping a coaching staff around longer then 2 yrs, getting a top notch QB and or developing a top notch QB and allowing him to develope, vs. switching QB's every few yrs for something greener in the next pastur that doesn't work out.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm actually thinking that our thought processes are ass backwards. I've argued as well as anyone that coach's need to develope players and need to utilize the talent they have on this team or rather make the scheme work around the talent on the team.

But maybe, just maybe, we are all wrong and it's more about keeping the coaching staff around long enough to get the personel on this team that fits the scheme. .... and consistancy, meaning keeping a coaching staff around longer then 2 yrs, getting a top notch QB and or developing a top notch QB and allowing him to develope, vs. switching QB's every few yrs for something greener in the next pastur that doesn't work out.

I'm fine with this if MS had started to rebuild the offense since day one instead of bringing a washed up McNabb last year.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm fine with this if MS had started to rebuild the offense since day one instead of bringing a washed up McNabb last year.

Well, he has started the process this year, and we'd be fools to abort the project simply because he didn't implement it soon enough. Better late then never.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm fine with this if MS had started to rebuild the offense since day one instead of bringing a washed up McNabb last year.

mcnabb was on pace to set the skins single season passing yard record and gave us big play capabilities . . . just wish he could have been more amenable to instruction . .

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm fine with this if MS had started to rebuild the offense since day one instead of bringing a washed up McNabb last year.

Well, some of us said "rebuild" and we who did were told this team couldn't afford to go rebuild.

Trust me I didn't want McNabb, didn't think he was going to work out, hated the idea that they signed him, but I started believing all the hoopla about MS being able to reinvent Elway at his old age and thought maybe McNabb would work out also. But we were duped. Clearly McNabb was the one with issue's as we have seen him being benched in Minni for not playing the reindeer games.

At this point I'm either ready to see Grossman put back in in hopes he makes better decisions or ready to see Jonathon Crompton. Crompton might be worth seeing if he can be salvaged. I mean if we are going to play like a bunch of rookies, especially at the QB spot we might as well put one in. I can atleast grasp that thought.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

Grossman was playing well early in the year and Shanny was a genius for getting the best out of a guy who is widely viewed as a joke around the league. Our "three-headed-monster" was allowing us to control the ball.. What happened? Grossman developed the same bad habits he's always had and began to hold us back. Considering this was a competition from day 1 we moved on to Beck who played well for two games and what happened? Injuries and Beck developed some bad habits which are essentially being afraid to throw the ball because of the inevitable pressure.

You want more rushing from Helu/Torain? We were down two possessions at this point and didn't have ANY type of success in the passing attack which lead to a stacked box and small gains from Helu. Once the pressure came off Beck was having his way on the defense.. Which is unfortunate and frustrating, but it shows that there is success somewhere in this offense..

Mike Shanahan is not the problem here, the problem is our quarterbacks just flat out suck and Alex Smith is relatively decent when you look at all 32 teams in the league and who they start.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Grossman was playing well early in the year and Shanny was a genius for getting the best out of a guy who is widely viewed as a joke around the league. Our "three-headed-monster" was allowing us to control the ball.. What happened? Grossman developed the same bad habits he's always had and began to hold us back. Considering this was a competition from day 1 we moved on to Beck who played well for two games and what happened? Injuries and Beck developed some bad habits which are essentially being afraid to throw the ball because of the inevitable pressure.

You want more rushing from Helu/Torain? We were down two possessions at this point and didn't have ANY type of success in the passing attack which lead to a stacked box and small gains from Helu. Once the pressure came off Beck was having his way on the defense.. Which is unfortunate and frustrating, but it shows that there is success somewhere in this offense..

Mike Shanahan is not the problem here, the problem is our quarterbacks just flat out suck and Alex Smith is relatively decent when you look at all 32 teams in the league and who they start.

Yeah, but who brought in those Qbs? Also, this is NFC East ball, you just run your new #1 RB only 10 times? I can see 10 times a half, but 10 times a game? Why did KS go pass happy with a sucky QB? The best HCs can bring out the best in what they have to work with or make gameplans that reflect as such. At this point Ir I am starting to think MS is doing not necessarily a "Suck for Luck" thing, but a "Dive for a Top Five" sort of thing for Landry Jones, Moore, Barkely, etc.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Yeah, but who brought in those Qbs? Also, this is NFC East ball, you just run your new #1 RB only 10 times? I can see 10 times a half, but 10 times a game? Why did KS go pass happy with a sucky QB? The best HCs can bring out the best in what they have to work with or make gameplans that reflect as such. At this point Ir I am starting to think MS is doing not necessarily a "Suck for Luck" thing, but a "Dive for a Top Five" sort of thing for Landry Jones, Moore, Barkely, etc.

It's what we had. I'd love to say there were better options, but I mean Vince Young? Matt Hasselbeck? Definitely better players, but he knew what he was getting with them. Remember not too long ago Jon Gruden said, "John Beck is the best kept secret in football". There was a lot of curiosity with John Beck and it was probably because of how he performed in practice all of last year. Shanahan took a chance knowing that either Ponder, Gabbert, and I'd say Dalton but he wasn't within our reach, weren't his guy.

I fully agree though, I think Mike tried to win, and once Grossman stopped succeeding, it was "let's see what we have time" fully expecting a top 10 pick.