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[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The poster above claimed that his statement was not "cowardly," it was instead "rational," as if the two were opposites. The point is that they are not opposites.

Since you disliked my example, let me offer more:
1) It is rational for a soldier in war to ditch his buddies to die so that he can save his own skin. However, such behavior is cowardly.

2) If one wants candy, it is rational to take it from little kids because they are easily overpowered. However, such behavior is cowardly.

You're giving extreme real life examples of cowards, but in no way should you ever compare a past time or interest such as rooting for a team, and a solider ditching his soliders in war. And no they aren't similar. The solider is looking out for himself, the suck for luck fans are looking out for their team and fanbase for the future. Do not ever compare that. You are giving awful examples, thus should stop talking on this subject.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You're giving extreme real life examples of cowards, but in no way should you ever compare a past time or interest such as rooting for a team, and a solider ditching his soliders in war. And no they aren't similar. The solider is looking out for himself, the suck for luck fans are looking out for their team and fanbase for the future. Do not ever compare that. You are giving awful examples, thus should stop talking on this subject.

No. You completely missed the point. Whether "Suck for Luck" is really rational is open to debate. What is certain is that, rational or not, "Suck for Luck" is cowardly because it means rooting for your team to lose. What you call "rational" Suck for Luck is cowardly no matter how you slice it.

You are not looking out for your team. You are rooting for the Redskins to lose just like any Cowboy fan does. That is patently cowardly.

Of course you are the same person who called racism "rational." So much for your version of "rational": your version of "rational" is both racist and cowardly.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No. You completely missed the point. Whether "Suck for Luck" is really rational is open to debate. What is certain is that, rational or not, "Suck for Luck" is cowardly because it means rooting for your team to lose. What you call "rational" Suck for Luck is cowardly no matter how you slice it.

You are not looking out for your team. You are rooting for the Redskins to lose just like any Cowboy fan does. That is patently cowardly.

Of course you are the same person who called racism "rational." So much for your version of "rational": your version of "rational" is both racist and cowardly.

Year 1 = Suck, Year 2= develop and build around luck, Years 3-12= become good, consistent team. Thats what Luck fans want. That's 1 maybe 2 bad years, and several years of good consistency.

Where as Skin fans against Sucking for Luck get a decent year, bad year, bad year, decent year, ...for the next 15 years and stay in the same place of mediocrity or laughing stalk of the NFL depending on the year.

(You can argue that you shouldn't put assumptions into Luck being good, that he could be a bust, but the reality is that A) He's better than any other QB we've had in the past 20 years. B) He has yet to have a negative scout against him. C) He's a more sure thing than other QB's that have come out in years past. D) If he is a bust, then he fooled everyone, because like I said no scout see's him being a bust.)

I don't know about you but I'd go the suck now, be good later route, than the try now and still suck year after year route. Just watch other teams, they have an awful year, and they build around that huge 1st overall pick, the teams that pick in the mid-first half of the draft usually stay there.


Again, I've always been told not to argue with an idiot because they make you look like the idiot in the end.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Year 1 = Suck, Year 2= develop and build around luck, Years 3-12= become good, consistent team. Thats what Luck fans want. That's 1 maybe 2 bad years, and several years of good consistency.

Where as Skin fans against Sucking for Luck get a decent year, bad year, bad year, decent year, ...for the next 15 years and stay in the same place of mediocrity or laughing stalk of the NFL depending on the year.

(You can argue that you shouldn't put assumptions into Luck being good, that he could be a bust, but the reality is that A) He's better than any other QB we've had in the past 20 years. B) He has yet to have a negative scout against him. C) He's a more sure thing than other QB's that have come out in years past. D) If he is a bust, then he fooled everyone, because like I said no scout see's him being a bust.)

I don't know about you but I'd go the suck now, be good later route, than the try now and still suck year after year route. Just watch other teams, they have an awful year, and they build around that huge 1st overall pick, the teams that pick in the mid-first half of the draft usually stay there.


Again, I've always been told not to argue with an idiot because they make you look like the idiot in the end.

I get the so-called "logic" of the "Suck for Luck" argument. I got it a long time ago. Everyone gets the argument. Given that it is posed at a fourth-grade level, it is not hard to understand.

Let's put aside the fact that this "logic" is chock full of unverifiable assumptions which pass as "logic."

The indisputable ground floor is that it requires rooting against the Skins. The fact that you are willing to leave this year's team for dead by actively rooting against them makes your argument cowardly.

Given that you root against the Skins just like a Cowboys fan does, I suggest you hang out on a Cowboys board where you can mingle with like-minded individuals.

Finally, I don't have to make you look like an idiot. You once again are doing a great job of that all by yourself.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I get the so-called "logic" of the "Suck for Luck" argument. I got it a long time ago. Everyone gets the argument. Given that it is posed at a fourth-grade level, it is not hard to understand.

Let's put aside the fact that this "logic" is chock full of unverifiable assumptions which pass as "logic."

The indisputable ground floor is that it requires rooting against the Skins. The fact that you are willing to leave this year's team for dead by actively rooting against them makes your argument cowardly.

Given that you root against the Skins just like a Cowboys fan does, I suggest you hang out on a Cowboys board where you can mingle with like-minded individuals.

Finally, I don't have to make you look like an idiot. You once again are doing a great job of that all by yourself.

I'd rather root for my team to lose one year, and root for them to win the rest of my life, than root for an inconsistent, broken, gives you hope but fails franchise year after year after year.

Also on the whole cowboys thing why would I go from one dysfunctional franchise to another..

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'd rather root for my team to lose one year, and root for them to win the rest of my life, than root for an inconsistent, broken, gives you hope but fails franchise year after year after year.

Also on the whole cowboys thing why would I go from one dysfunctional franchise to another..

I know I'm just focusing on one portion of your statement, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that. And I respect your desire for us to Suck for Luck, but as a fan, I can't stand seeing my team losing even if it does mean getting an all-star player next season. And as someone who used to play team sports, I can't just give up even if we were a bad team.

I just can't root for or respect a team of quitters.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I know I'm just focusing on one portion of your statement, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that. And I respect your desire for us to Suck for Luck, but as a fan, I can't stand seeing my team losing even if it does mean getting an all-star player next season. And as someone who used to play team sports, I can't just give up even if we were a bad team.

I just can't root for or respect a team of quitters.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I know I'm just focusing on one portion of your statement, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that. And I respect your desire for us to Suck for Luck, but as a fan, I can't stand seeing my team losing even if it does mean getting an all-star player next season. And as someone who used to play team sports, I can't just give up even if we were a bad team.

I just can't root for or respect a team of quitters.

This is true, respectable, and a much better answer than other people have been giving.

The whole root of my argument and bottom line, was basically "don't be mad skin fans when Andrew Lucks making Pro Bowl after Pro Bowl and appearing in Super Bowls, being like Oh we could have had him!" Ya we could have if we had sucked! We already suck enough to win 3 games, whats the difference between winning 3 games and 1? (Its a rhetorical question. Don't answer with 2)

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I know I'm just focusing on one portion of your statement, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that. And I respect your desire for us to Suck for Luck, but as a fan, I can't stand seeing my team losing even if it does mean getting an all-star player next season. And as someone who used to play team sports, I can't just give up even if we were a bad team.

I just can't root for or respect a team of quitters.

Ah sure you can i've been doing it for years, its really fun!!! Find me Sunday and ill show you how to do it!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'd rather root for my team to lose one year, and root for them to win the rest of my life, than root for an inconsistent, broken, gives you hope but fails franchise year after year after year.

Also on the whole cowboys thing why would I go from one dysfunctional franchise to another..

Your statement is a false either/or. Those aren't the only two possible outcomes. That makes your statement irrational.

Further, rooting for your team to lose is cowardly.

So I'll end this conversation by saying that I get you now. You not only argue for irrational and cowardly things, you will insist on doing so.