Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Dolphins)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Matty,

I don't think he blows. He was moving the ball up and down the field. He made some really good throws under pressure. There was one out route in particular where he delivered a perfect timing pass before the WR broke and he took a huge hit afterwards.

I think the inconsistency is the killer with him. But we have known that from day 1. down 9-13 on their 10 yard line you just can't throw that INT. It hurt a lot too, because we were just developing some momentum.

Moving the ball up and down the field is useless if you can't score.

He blows, he's thrown almost twice as many INTs as TDs this year, along with losing 2 fumbles. Add in his medicore career numbers and I don't know what else you want to call it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Moving the ball up and down the field is useless if you can't score.

He blows, he's thrown almost twice as many INTs as TDs this year, along with losing 2 fumbles.

Exactly. You don't win games based off the amount of yardage you accumulate. Driving down to the goal line only to give them the ball doesn't do squat for the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Exactly. You don't win games based off the amount of yardage you accumulate. Driving down to the goal line only to give them the ball doesn't do squat for the team.

Yup, and I'm tired of the excuses for both Grossman and Beck. Let's just call it like it is, both guys stink. I'm not about to hop on the fire Shanahan wagon yet, but it's a concern that for 2 years now his QB choices have been complete head scratchers.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yup, and I'm tired of the excuses for both Grossman and Beck. Let's just call it like it is, both guys stink. I'm not about to hop on the fire Shanahan wagon yet, but it's a concern that for 2 years now his QB choices have been complete head scratchers.

Here, Here they stink.

but my concern is still I don't think anyone else would have a major difference in game play. Right now they wouldn't because of the OL injuries, then there is all the WR shuffling/injuries, RB injuries, so on and so forth.... don't get me wrong there would be better play but how much is the question.

See some fans stop with questioning the QB, some simply question the coaching staff, some question the injuries, but what I'm saying is I thinks it's all the above. Clearly we need more of an accurate QB that makes better decisions, we need our injured players to be playing again and some decent back ups, and how much of it could be the design of the plays? I think it's easy to sit back and design a play and say "with these routes the defense will give us this" or "with this line up the defense should give us that", but what if whats expected to happen is not happening on the field? No different then a play being sent in to optimize the man-to-man coverage and all of a sudden the defense switches to zone coverage. At that point I think we all can agree that it's on the QB to change the play but how much leeway is KS giving the QB to change the play?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Here, Here they stink.

but my concern is still I don't think anyone else would have a major difference in game play. Right now they wouldn't because of the OL injuries, then there is all the WR shuffling/injuries, RB injuries, so on and so forth.... don't get me wrong there would be better play but how much is the question.

See some fans stop with questioning the QB, some simply question the coaching staff, some question the injuries, but what I'm saying is I thinks it's all the above. Clearly we need more of an accurate QB that makes better decisions, we need our injured players to be playing again and some decent back ups, and how much of it could be the design of the plays? I think it's easy to sit back and design a play and say "with these routes the defense will give us this" or "with this line up the defense should give us that", but what if whats expected to happen is not happening on the field? No different then a play being sent in to optimize the man-to-man coverage and all of a sudden the defense switches to zone coverage. At that point I think we all can agree that it's on the QB to change the play but how much leeway is KS giving the QB to change the play?

The injuries have definitely hampered the offense, but I find it hard to believe a decent QB wouldn't be able to make some plays that Grossman and Beck simply aren't capable of making.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yup, and I'm tired of the excuses for both Grossman and Beck. Let's just call it like it is, both guys stink. I'm not about to hop on the fire Shanahan wagon yet, but it's a concern that for 2 years now his QB choices have been complete head scratchers.

But what "choices" were there? Do you break the bank for Carson Palmer? Make another McNabb-like move for aging veteran Matt Hasselbeck? Bring in a journeyman like Matt Moore?

And whoever you do bring in, put him behind a sub-par offensive line, take away his top wide receiver, take away his team reception leading tight end, and give him absolutely no running game whatsoever -- would the results be any different?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But what "choices" were there? Do you break the bank for Carson Palmer? Make another McNabb-like move for aging veteran Matt Hasselbeck? Bring in a journeyman like Matt Moore?

And whoever you do bring in, put him behind a sub-par offensive line, take away his top wide receiver, take away his team reception leading tight end, and give him absolutely no running game whatsoever -- would the results be any different?

So were Grossman and Beck the absolute best choices available? Really? Beck doesn't even look like he belongs in the league and Grossman is well, Grossman.

What would have been wrong with Hasselbeck for a one or two year stop gap? He's been solid for the Titans.

We're 2 years into this regime and QB is a bigger mess than its ever been.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So were Grossman and Beck the absolute best choices available? Really? Beck doesn't even look like he belongs in the league and Grossman is well, Grossman.

What would have been wrong with Hasselbeck for a one or two year stop gap? He's been solid for the Titans.

We're 2 years into this regime and QB is a bigger mess than its ever been.

We give him one or two years, he bolts to Tennessee for sure since they gave him three. Not to mention we might have had to pay extra to pry him away from his the OC there, since he's had a relationship with his OC since he was a little kid.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

We give him one or two years, he bolts to Tennessee for sure since they gave him three. Not to mention we might have had to pay extra to pry him away from his the OC there, since he's had a relationship with his OC since he was a little kid.

Maybe that's the case, but I refuse to believe Grossman and Beck were the best we could have done. Add in the McNabb debacle and you really have to question the decision making that's been done with the QB position, especially for a QB "guru" like Mike Shanahan.