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Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth?
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Heath Shuler Gus Frerotte Trent Green Brad Johnson Tony Banks Shane Matthews Patrick Ramsey Mark Brunell Jason Campbell Donovan McNabb Rex Grossman John Beck Rex Grossman
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Seriously though, this is a great list demonstrating that regardless of how we acquired them, we've settled for two decades at that position. We are still smarting from the Heath Shuler draft and have seemingly been gun shy to make a move again at an elite prospect. The time has come. Make the move for Luck or RGIII.
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Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth?
Go Colts! Go Niners!
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What could have been if we kept Trent...
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Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth?
Yup, and Brad Johnson won a superbowl.
From the list that has nothing to do with my point: Campbell has been better then McNabb who was better then Rex. Huh? What do the QBs on that list have to do with trading multiple first round draft picks in exchange for 1 first round pick (Luck/Griffin)? Last edited by 30gut; 12-30-2011 at 03:23 PM. |
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We all want a superbowl caliber QB. But trading multiple 1st round picks to acquire 1 first round pick doesn't increases your chances of that QB panning out. The chances are the same. Except that when you trade multiple 1st round picks you make your team weaker all for the sake of drafting a QB that may not even turn out to be the best QB in the draft class, let alone pan out. |
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My point is trading away multiple 1st round draft picks for 1 first round draft does not increase the probability for success. Rather it reduces the ability to improve the team via the draft (the draft is zero sum) and it artificially increases the pressure and importance and utter necessity for that particular draft pick to hit and hit big. If I told you can 1 mil i cash if you hit a 3 pt shot and I gave you these 2 options: 1 shot for 1 mil or 3 shots for 1 mil which would you take? Last edited by 30gut; 12-30-2011 at 05:52 PM. |
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"Yet people seem to be ready, no demanding that we trade (1st round draft picks) the most valueable resources on any team especially for a rebuilding team, for a pick that may or may not even prove to be the best QB in their draft class." The point that I was trying to make, and I apologize if I did not communicate it clearly as I admit I was rushing to write a response before I left my house, was that I believe that it is worth risking our draft picks for the #1 overall QB prospect in this draft (or trading for Bradford who is a former #1 overall pick and has great upside) as opposed to the way we HAVE run things in the PAST, which gives us most of the players on our revolving door of a QB list. GTripp said it well when referring to the "inefficient cycle" the Redskins have been in. Acquiring over priced FA's at the end of their careers, or overpaying via trades for aging vets. I AM disagreeing with you because your initial point was an insinuation that it is not a good idea to trade all those draft picks for a guy who may not even be the best QB in the draft. That may be true but I said I am willing to take that risk to break the "inefficient cycle" we have put ourselves in by not trying to take a QB high in the first round. They are more likely to be cornerstones of a franchise than 2nd-7th round QB picks typically. I never said you were advocating for signing a veteran FA or trading for an older vet, I am simply stating that I disagree with the notion that giving up picks for the #1 pick is bad. Especially given that the way we have been doing things the opposite way of trying to trade up to get the highest ranked QB and they have obviously not worked out since I am confident you are aware that our QB body of work has not been stellar for quite some time.
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