What is RG3 worth to us?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by musicmaster45

Didn't know where to put this quote from rotoworld. Here is an RG3 tidbit and a little hope


Robert Griffin III - QB - Player

The Akron Beacon Journal expects the Browns to stay put at the No. 4 overall draft slot if they can't find a way to trade down.
Beat reporter Nate Ulrich points to GM Tom Heckert's tendency to "covet" draft picks, and believes the Browns will not trade up for Baylor QB Robert Griffin. NFL Network's Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora both think the Dolphins and Redskins are candidates to move up for Griffin. The Browns are known to be high on the 2011 Heisman winner, but may only get RG3 if he falls to No. 4.

Usually whenever I hear that a team will only take a QB if he falls to them it means that they only like him. This is opposed to the "love him" classification which states that teams in love with a QB will be willing to pull all the stops to make sure they get him.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Usually whenever I hear that a team will only take a QB if he falls to them it means that they only like him. This is opposed to the "love him" classification which states that teams in love with a QB will be willing to pull all the stops to make sure they get him.

Yup. Shanahan loved Cutler. Shanahan loved Bradford. (tried to move up) It was obvious he didn't love Gabbert or Locker even though I do believe he would have picked Locker had he been there at our pick.

[MTK]

I just wonder if MS might force the issue this year since he's missed out on a young QB the last 2 years. A guy like RG3 would definitely put butts in the seats and get the fans energized again.

[SmootSmack]

Latest chatter has Dolphins and Browns making a trade so top 5 is looking something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins-RG3
5. Bucs-Claiborne

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Latest chatter has Dolphins and Browns making a trade so top 5 is looking something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins-RG3
5. Bucs-Claiborne

That top five is like a worst case scenario for Redskins fans, is it not? If no trade down is possible (and I'm not sure who anyone would trade up for), the pick is Richardson, right? That's not Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd territory yet, those would both be pretty extreme reaches giving the variability of first round receivers (after the top guy, typically).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That top five is like a worst case scenario for Redskins fans, is it not? If no trade down is possible (and I'm not sure who anyone would trade up for), the pick is Richardson, right? That's not Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd territory yet, those would both be pretty extreme reaches giving the variability of first round receivers (after the top guy, typically).

Yeah it's not the best case really. There are a few possibilities

1. If the Bucs take Richardson, which is also rumored, then Claiborne to the Redskins

2. OL such as Martin or Rieff (probably high for both so a trade down would be best, but Martin in particular is mentioned a lot as a strong possibility for the Redskins. Not DeCastro so much...which would make you think it's actually probably him they'd target)

3. Luke Kuechly (I'll just tell you I've heard his name brought up. But I don't buy it. Only if Fletcher doesn't return, but he will...so again I don't see it. And 6 is too high for him I think)

4. Kirkpatrick-much less likely now with the drug bust. Any other team probably not an issue, for the Redskins considering recent events not likely

So much of this is really dependent of course on FA but my guess is it would be one of the OL, assuming no movement

[GTripp0012]

I can't see Martin or Reiff improving our passing efficiency or rushing efficiency by as much in the first three years as Richardson would, even though for sure they would both play more total snaps than Richardson would. But that's okay: with Helu and Royster on the team for at least the next two years, I'm not worried.

I really like David DeCastro, but if we were to break the bank for Carl Nicks (and make him a ZBS OT as he was in college instead of a man OG), I think that's a better option for the OL.

[GTripp0012]

Oh well, trade up three spots and none of this is an issue.

[freddyg12]

IF fins & browns trading is really in the works, I would be surprised if the Rams don't get into that action. The rams can really parlay that #2 into an awful lot. Even if Miami knows that the rams don't want RGIII, the very real possibility of other teams offering for that pick to get him makes it worth a lot.

We are as desperate as anybody to get a franchise qb, but I feel good about Allen & Shanny making a deal.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

IF fins & browns trading is really in the works, I would be surprised if the Rams don't get into that action. The rams can really parlay that #2 into an awful lot. Even if Miami knows that the rams don't want RGIII, the very real possibility of other teams offering for that pick to get him makes it worth a lot.

We are as desperate as anybody to get a franchise qb, but I feel good about Allen & Shanny making a deal.

Sometimes being in a prime position like the Rams are is a detriment. Perhaps they're asking price will come down but most of what I've heard indicates that they want something along the lines of 5-6 highs picks and possibly players, so something like 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd and John Beck. That's a lot to ask...especially asking us to give up John Beck.

So they may price themselves out if they don't bring their demand down. On the other hand, they may hold their ground and refuse to bring their demand down

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes being in a prime position like the Rams are is a detriment. Perhaps they're asking price will come down but most of what I've heard indicates that they want something along the lines of 5-6 highs picks and possibly players, so something like 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd and John Beck. That's a lot to ask...especially asking us to give up John Beck.

So they may price themselves out if they don't bring their demand down. On the other hand, they may hold their ground and refuse to bring their demand down

True, but if the Fins go all in & trade w/Browns that really sets the market. The rams then are in a position to say 'we like our pick at #2 & you will have to do significantly better than what the Fins gave up to get it.' If they truly like their options at 2, which I suspect they would - Blackmon or Kalil is ideal for them, then they win either way & can hold that pick to the last minute.

Ultimately, it would take a lot of intel for the Fins to be confident that they could get RGIII w/the 4th pick. I mean would somebody w/the rams & vikes really assure Miami that they weren't picking RGIII? or that they wouldn't trade the pick away?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

True, but if the Fins go all in & trade w/Browns that really sets the market. The rams then are in a position to say 'we like our pick at #2 & you will have to do significantly better than what the Fins gave up to get it.' If they truly like their options at 2, which I suspect they would - Blackmon or Kalil is ideal for them, then they win either way & can hold that pick to the last minute.

Ultimately, it would take a lot of intel for the Fins to be confident that they could get RGIII w/the 4th pick. I mean would somebody w/the rams & vikes really assure Miami that they weren't picking RGIII? or that they wouldn't trade the pick away?

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock. Just starting the conversation now

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock.

That is, unless Joe Gibbs is running your team.

Scout.com: Draft Trade: Why?



God it's moves like this that made me hate Gibbs 2.0

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock. Just starting the conversation now

Understood, I'm just pointing out that it should be fairly obvious that the skins & other teams will likely covet the Rams pick if interest in RGIII is as high as expected. I only see a Cleveland/Miami trade going down if the Rams keep their pick.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes being in a prime position like the Rams are is a detriment. Perhaps they're asking price will come down but most of what I've heard indicates that they want something along the lines of 5-6 highs picks and possibly players, so something like 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd and John Beck. That's a lot to ask...especially asking us to give up John Beck.

So they may price themselves out if they don't bring their demand down. On the other hand, they may hold their ground and refuse to bring their demand down

Nobody is worth that much. If I'm having to give up a player, then I'll give them someone who could still be serviceable but someone who we haven't had to rely on (sorry Chris Cooley) and next year's #1, but I don't think the Redskins need or should give up THAT much to get RG III. As matter of fact, I'm not even sure the Redskins would need to move up THAT much. Everybody is saying the Browns are suitors for Griffin, but that might not be the case at all. They could essentially trade with Washington, pick up extra picks, and the 'skins wouldn't have to give up a kings ransom like they would with the Rams.

There's always a chance that one of the other QB hungry teams like Miami can leap frog up, but I'm not sure any team is going to take the bait.