What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I love all those things and value them higher then just one guy who happens to be an awesome qb. System QB's mean a lot more flexibility.

Well you can trade/sign for 1 guy.
You cannot trade/sign an entire offense that creates a 'system' QB.

I think you have it backwards.
A system QB forces the team to re-create that system to have success.
A scheme diverse i.e. physically talented QB means more flexibility.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think you should care about their system and their talent because its the context in which Flynn is being evaluated.
If you're saying you like Flynn because of his physical skillset then by all means dismiss the context.
But, if you like Flynn because of his production you'd better play close attention to the system and the talent where he amassed that production.
Because rest assured you're signing/trading Flynn's physical skillset not his production.
And imo Flynn skillset suggest that he's more of the quintessential 'system' QB then he is a scheme diverse physically gifted QB.
And if you're signing a system QB you'd better be able to replicate the the pieces of that system (caoching/gameplanning/playcalling/talent (receiving corps/OL etc) if you want similar results.

I better? Or else what? By the way, I said deal's off if GB franchises him, and we have to trade to get him. Other than WR I don't think they have better talent and there are plenty of options to upgrade at WR. Our TEs and running backs are just as good, and I'd even put our O-line up against theirs. System is very similar to Kyle's. People still call Brady a system QB. Well, he systemed his way to 3 Super Bowls.

And I don't get carried away with physical talents or "gifts". Brady looked like a dufus at the combine, Brees is short, Rivers throws like a girl and there's a long list of dudes with "physical gifts" who sucked ass in the NFL (see Ryan Leaf and Heath Schuler). Who knows, he could suck somewhere else, but if we don't have to give up picks to get him I think he's worth a shot. Hell, if they can get Flynn and RGIII drops to 6, I'd be OK with taking them both.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I better? Or else what?

Or risk a serious case of buyers remorse when the QBs production with your team doesn't match his production with his old team.

Other than WR I don't think they have better talent and there are plenty of options to upgrade at WR. Our TEs and running backs are just as good, and I'd even put our O-line up against theirs.

So we agree that there talent level at WR is better.
Where we disagree is by what margin.
Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Donald Driver are significantly better then our WRs to the extent that counting on a 1 FA WR to stem the gap won't be enough.

For the sake of not quibbling I agree that ours TEs and RBs are a push.

But.
Apart from talent there's a continuity gap that is as much a factor in scheme success as talent.

What if Flynn's productivity is derived only from being in the Green Bay's superior offensive system/weapons and developing chemistry and comfort in the system over time?

Ala Kevin Kolb and Donovan McNabb with the Eagles?

System is very similar to Kyle's.

In what way?
In a sense all NFL systems are similar.
For me a similar scheme is one where the core concepts and verbiage are the same to the point where the name of the play in one system is either the same or very close to the name of the same play in the other system.
For example David Anderson came from Houston and was able to play right away because he spoke the language of our offense.
I don't think Green Bay and our offense share the same language.
Conceptually I see Green Bay's offense as 5-7 step drop vertical rhythm passing game heavy shotgun w/a focus that attacks sideline to sideline with downflied instride especially with crossers and posts that gain RAC yardage for the WRs; with a sprinkle under center offense with 3 TEs and muliple RBs.

I see our offense as a mix of boot-swap playaction passing and 3-5-7 step rhythm passing with a focus on zone beating in-breaking or stop routes that attacks down the center of the field.

And I don't get carried away with physical talents or "gifts".

Um okay? No one is asking you to get carried away.
But throughout your advocacy for Flynn you haven't mentioned anything about his skillset.
My point is that when you sign a QB you get their skillset not their production.

there's a long list of dudes with "physical gifts" who sucked ass in the NFL

Okay.
There's an even longer list of QBs that didn't have the physical skillset to have more then a cup of coffee in the NFL.

Who knows, he could suck somewhere else, but if we don't have to give up picks to get him I think he's worth a shot.

I'm not predicting whether Flynn will be good/not good.
My point is that Flynn is no different then any other journeyman/second chance QB available (Jimmy Clausen, Chad Henne, Josh Johnson, Matt Moore, etc) and they all should be judged on their skillset not their production.

[dmek25]

it would be interesting to see how many people around here even knew who the hell Flynn was before the packs last game? i say no way. lets put our eggs in one basket and draft RG3

[12thMan]

My concern with Matt Flynn is that he's played himself into beach front property value, while there's a lot of "under construction" and "foreclosures" on the market. Moreover, the market will irresponsibly set his current value based on one internet photo without performing proper inspections and/or due diligence. It's absurd. Doesn't make common sense and it doesn't football sense.

For that simple reason, I say pass on this dude. Too much risk incurred overnight, too many unknowns.

[MTK]

I wouldn't be against looking at Henne. He could benefit from a change of scenery.

[That Guy]

I'd try henne as a backup, but he looks like a whole lot of average to me.

[CultBrennan59]

:vomit:

Oh I'm sorry I thought I just saw people mentioning Chad Henne as a QB option.

Oh wait..I did..

:vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

[GTripp0012]

Well, this is a Matt Flynn thread. Perspective, people.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, this is a Matt Flynn thread. Perspective, people.

The perspective is that Flynn had one great game so he is the savior.

[SmootSmack]

Breaking Down Matt Flynn's 6 TD, 480 Yard Performance - Hogs Haven

[CultBrennan59]

I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.

Mitchell gets a bit of a bad rap.

Scott Mitchell NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

He had a heck of a season in '95. He wasn't a total flame out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

Schaub had an entire three year college starting career and a good draft grade to justify what people were seeing. (And yet, had Schaub failed, a bunch of people would have lined up outside Kubiak's office to yell "Called it!")

Flynn has...9 touchdown passes and QB competition with Brian Brohm. And whatever you think a BCS championship (with a two loss team) is worth.