What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Reposted from the other thread because it fits better here:

I'll probably say this a lot between now and mid-March, but Chad Henne is younger, more proven and has better tools than Matt Flynn. See for yourself:

Chad Henne NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Matt Flynn NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

I'm not even sure I understand the argument for Flynn over Henne. We don't know how good Flynn is? The Packers are better at developing QBs than the Dolphins? A mixture of weak reasoning?

Henne should get at least one and a half times what Flynn gets in guaranteed money.

I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.

Really? Do you also believe there are no one game wonders in the NFL either? I think anyone could have a game like that. Surrounded by a lot of talent at almost every position, game becomes a shootout, you know the offense from being there multiple years.

I don't want Flynn, for multiple reasons. He's played 2 career games in the NFL. Teams have no film on him, they don't have a read on his tendencies. Both of his games came against average to bad defenses. He's had multiple years to learn the offense. The talent level with the Packers is leaps and bounds better than the talent level on the Redskins. And most of all he's not gonna have that comfort zone with whatever team he signs with that he has with the Packers.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by mooby

Really? Do you also believe there are no one game wonders in the NFL either? I think anyone could have a game like that. Surrounded by a lot of talent at almost every position, game becomes a shootout, you know the offense from being there multiple years.

I don't want Flynn, for multiple reasons. He's played 2 career games in the NFL. Teams have no film on him, they don't have a read on his tendencies. Both of his games came against average to bad defenses. He's had multiple years to learn the offense. The talent level with the Packers is leaps and bounds better than the talent level on the Redskins. And most of all he's not gonna have that comfort zone with whatever team he signs with that he has with the Packers.

Sure I do, but that wasn't just a good game. That was off the charts record breaking good and I don't think just anyone can have a game like that. Our guys struggle to throw 1Td against the worst defenses in the league. Plus he had a great game last year, impressed the Green Bay coaches enough to earn the back up role after being drafted in the 7th round and word is Aaron Rodgers trusts him explicitly. They also run a system similar to Kyle's.

If you think he can only play at that level if he's surrounded by talent, then all we need to do is surround him with talent. I don't advocate getting him if Green Bay franchises him, but assuming it only costs money I think we should nab him. We don't have any Portis or Haynesworth-like salaries weighing us down.

So you want talent? How about Bowe in free agency and Blackmon with the 6th pick.

Bowe, Blackmon, Hankerson, Moss
Cooley, Davis
Hightower, Helu, Royster

At least 8 more draft picks for O-line and Defense, plus more free agents. If Cleveland gets Flynn then we should have a good shot at RGIII.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Sure I do, but that wasn't just a good game. That was off the charts record breaking good and I don't think just anyone can have a game like that. Our guys struggle to throw 1Td against the worst defenses in the league. Plus he had a great game last year, impressed the Green Bay coaches enough to earn the back up role after being drafted in the 7th round and word is Aaron Rodgers trusts him explicitly. They also run a system similar to Kyle's.

If you think he can only play at that level if he's surrounded by talent, then all we need to do is surround him with talent. I don't advocate getting him if Green Bay franchises him, but assuming it only costs money I think we should nab him. We don't have any Portis or Haynesworth-like salaries weighing us down.

So you want talent? How about Bowe in free agency and Blackmon with the 6th pick.

Bowe, Blackmon, Hankerson, Moss
Cooley, Davis
Hightower, Helu, Royster

At least 8 more draft picks for O-line and Defense, plus more free agents. If Cleveland gets Flynn then we should have a good shot at RGIII.

Exactly the way i feel! Whats the other option, drafting an unproven QB and sticking him in with no talent around him? Flynn gives us the ability to add multiple young players and quality depth at other much needed positions, not just one QB that, from recent history, could be very hit or miss.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Exactly the way i feel! Whats the other option, drafting an unproven QB and sticking him in with no talent around him? Flynn gives us the ability to add multiple young players and quality depth at other much needed positions, not just one QB that, from recent history, could be very hit or miss.

The interesting thing about that link is that in the past 10 years, despite multiple drafts (7) with more than one top 10 QB being drafted, there was not a draft when QB went 1-2. The notion that the Rams are the only option to trade for RGIII is flawed, especially in the scenario I posed in another thread of the Browns going big on Flynn based on the Holmgren past with GB backups.

[SmootSmack]

Breaking Down Matt Flynn's 6 TD, 480 Yard Performance - Hogs Haven

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.

I don't think he lucked his way through that game by any stretch -- I think he really was that good -- but I think he was at least a little fortunate to be playing a zone coverage team at home in the conditions. Kyle system isn't similar to Green Bay's though. I suppose I could be misunderstanding what you mean by similar, but for me, I can't think of two modern passing systems that are much more different.

When valuing Matt Flynn on the free agent market, that 6 TD game will be basically meaningless. Not in the way that it was lucky. But going into that game, Flynn like Henne had a negative career TD/INT ratio. So the 6 TDs vs. 1 INTs is a clear outlier in a rather unremarkable career.

Flynn had a great offensive performance, but aren't there about three performances of this quality every week that just don't stand out because the game is put away after the 4th passing TD?

[CultBrennan59]

I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.

Mitchell gets a bit of a bad rap.

Scott Mitchell NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

He had a heck of a season in '95. He wasn't a total flame out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

Schaub had an entire three year college starting career and a good draft grade to justify what people were seeing. (And yet, had Schaub failed, a bunch of people would have lined up outside Kubiak's office to yell "Called it!")

Flynn has...9 touchdown passes and QB competition with Brian Brohm. And whatever you think a BCS championship (with a two loss team) is worth.

[GTripp0012]

To me, the guy I would compare Flynn to (if I were in favor of getting Flynn) would be Matt Cassel.

But I am also not in favor of Flynn, in part because of Matt Cassel.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

To me, the guy I would compare Flynn to (if I were in favor of getting Flynn) would be Matt Cassel.

But I am also not in favor of Flynn, in part because of Matt Cassel.

Probably a perfect comparison.. College backup to pro backup in a phenomenal system who had success surrounded by elite players. It's very risky projecting those players as starters and paying a ton of money on hope.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Probably a perfect comparison.. College backup to pro backup in a phenomenal system who had success surrounded by elite players. It's very risky projecting those players as starters and paying a ton of money on hope.

In what way is he similar to Matt Cassel? These guys are not similar.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

In what way is he similar to Matt Cassel? These guys are not similar.

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