What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Where does four or more picks keep coming from? Only three picks involved to get the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers deal done a few years ago. I can't see it escalating that much to four or more.

Carson Palmer - - a 32 year old QB who had retired rather than ever play for his previous team - - got a first and a conditional second just last year.

No one - - as in NOBODY - - thought of Palmer in the same terms that people have used to describe Andrew Luck. And now RG III shows up on the scene having won the Heismann Trophy over Luck.

The cost for either of those guys will be a minimum of three "choice draft picks". IF several teams get into a situation where they are bidding against each other for one of those guys in the draft positioning, then the cost could easily escalate to four picks or...

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks? Very possibly - - although not certainly.

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks PLUS two second round picks? Possible - - but I suspect not.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Where does four or more picks keep coming from? Only three picks involved to get the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers deal done a few years ago. I can't see it escalating that much to four or more.

I think you answered your own question when you said "years ago". But let's entertain the question, it's called supply and demand. Back then there might not have been too many teams wanting Rivers or Eli. Right now there are atleast 4 teams interested in either Luck or RGIII. Two teams in a position to take either and two who might be willing to move up to get them.
Colts
Browns
Redskins
Dolphins

That's just the first few I could think of who knows if whatever teams that are out there that might say we could use a franchise QB for the future.

[skinsfaninok]

Our competition for Flynn will mainly come from Miami and Seattle IMO. I think Cleveland takes RG3 no doubt

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

You missed the point of my previous listing of first round QBs who were "less than successful. A previous posting said that you had to go that way because that was the way to get a great QB - - and a great QB was a necessity for the Redskins.

My list was intended to show that when teams have taken QBs in the first round of the draft over the last decade or so, lots of them have been ordinary - - or even worse. The list intended to show that drafting a QB high in the first round did not always produce desired results.

I have tried to suggest to folks here that the important thing is for the FO and the coaching staff to focus on getting a QB who will be successful. You can do that through free agency (Drew Brees, Michael Vick, Trent Green, Kurt Warner and John Unitas) but you can also make bad choices in free agency (Jeff George and Steve Walsh for example)

You can trade for successful QBs (Matt Cassell and Philip Rivers) but you can also trade for unsuccessful ones (Donovan McNabb - - here and in Minnesota - -, Mark Brunell, Kevin Kolb).

And you can draft successful QBs in the first round ( at about a 50%^ success rate) or you can draft a gut-bomb in the first round.

The important thing to realize is that it is not the path by which a team acquires a QB that is important; it is the acumen and the insight provided by the scouts and the FO to the coaches that makes the acquisition successful.

OH, you got a bit carried away on your list. Roman Gabriel was hardly a highly successful QB in the NFL in terms of wins and losses...

Sorry, I missed the gist of it. You're right any time you deal in absolutes like that, you ask for trouble.

I disagree about Roman Gabriel. He was a league MVP, went to four Pro Bowls, led the league in passing, and is still the all-time passing leader for the Rams. His career record is 86-64-7, not exactly stellar, but he was a great QB, and the reason why all scouts covet size in QBs now.

[SBXVII]

Well that's embarrassing, in my last post I had to go back and correct my stupid computers correction..... I wrote "think" and it corrected to "hunk". lol.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Our competition for Flynn will mainly come from Miami and Seattle IMO. I think Cleveland takes RG3 no doubt

Now that Philbin is the HC in Miami, I suppose that the Dolphins would be the favorites for Flynn.

Then again, maybe not since Philbin would know Flynn's weaknesses as well as his strengths. If Miami, with Philbin, doesn't make a play for Flynn then I certainly wouldn't want the Skins to go after him.

[SBXVII]

^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Our competition for Flynn will mainly come from Miami and Seattle IMO. I think Cleveland takes RG3 no doubt

I personally don't want anymore FA quarterbacks. In the recent past Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell and Todd Collins only took us so far. I have a feeling that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan will surprise us and somehow, someway draft either Griffin III or Luck. How they'll pull this off, I have no idea though.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.

And a good young Defense and loads of picks in the next 2 drafts and plenty of money to spend in Free Agency. I agree. 5 wins with a QB that turned the ball over about 25 times is a miracle.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Carson Palmer - - a 32 year old QB who had retired rather than ever play for his previous team - - got a first and a conditional second just last year.

No one - - as in NOBODY - - thought of Palmer in the same terms that people have used to describe Andrew Luck. And now RG III shows up on the scene having won the Heismann Trophy over Luck.

The cost for either of those guys will be a minimum of three "choice draft picks". IF several teams get into a situation where they are bidding against each other for one of those guys in the draft positioning, then the cost could easily escalate to four picks or...

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks? Very possibly - - although not certainly.

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks PLUS two second round picks? Possible - - but I suspect not.

The thing abour the Palmer situation is that is says more about the Raiders and Bengals than it does about Palmer's trade value. The Raiders basically outbid themselves, and the Bengals had allowed far too much pride to get involved in the situation and were unwilling to listen to any reasonable trade proposals. Had it not been for the Raiders being the Raiders, the Bengals would have been stuck with Palmer and would have successfully cut off their nose to spite their face.

That being said, it's difficult to imagine that RGIII or Luck wouldn't command three choice picks, as you suggested.

[redskin29633]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Now that Philbin is the HC in Miami, I suppose that the Dolphins would be the favorites for Flynn.

Then again, maybe not since Philbin would know Flynn's weaknesses as well as his strengths. If Miami, with Philbin, doesn't make a play for Flynn then I certainly wouldn't want the Skins to go after him.

I certainly agree with your assertion. Also, if Flynn is really good, Philbin will know that, and Miami will bid high. The only way Redskins land Flynn now is the possiblity that Flynn may not want to play for Philbin any longer--the idea of fresh start may have some appeal to Flynn.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.

The only team that has worse luck with big name QB's then us is Miami. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out when Flynn goes there.

[SmootSmack]

I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.

If Flynn wants to have a shot at a successful NFL career, he'd be smart to go there.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.

Money talks