First trial in Sean Taylor killing to begin April 16

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

How is that it takes 4 years to take these animals to court? What is wrong with the state of Florida?

Two words. Due ... process...

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Two words. Due ... process...

4 years = due process?
Michael Jackson died June 25th, 2009 and his negligent doctor has been tried, convicted and sentenced.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

4 years = due process?
Michael Jackson died June 25th, 2009 and his negligent doctor has been tried, convicted and sentenced.

Yes that is due process.

It is not as if these folks have never been in a court room before this. There have been premilinary proceedings and a judge has overseen all of them and led to this court date. What has happened from the time of apprehension and indictment until today is what is known in the US as "due process".

It is rarely swift and not always efficient, but the entire concept of US jurisprudence with regard to criminal matters is built on due process.

As of this moment, this defendant is INNOCENT in this matter. The upcoming trial may change that status, but until that trial happens the young man is innocent.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Yes that is due process.

It is not as if these folks have never been in a court room before this. There have been premilinary proceedings and a judge has overseen all of them and led to this court date. What has happened from the time of apprehension and indictment until today is what is known in the US as "due process".

It is rarely swift and not always efficient, but the entire concept of US jurisprudence with regard to criminal matters is built on due process.

As of this moment, this defendant is INNOCENT in this matter. The upcoming trial may change that status, but until that trial happens the young man is innocent.

But due process requires the notion of a "fair and speedy trial." How is this "speedy"?

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Lotus

But due process requires the notion of a "fair and speedy trial." How is this "speedy"?

The defendant here was indicted "speedily" and since then he and his representatives have been in front of the court with pleadings for things like access to proseuction evidence (discovery) and the like. That means the legal process has been done at a sufficient pace to match the concept of a "speedy trial".

That would likely not be the case if the defendant had been arrested 4 years ago and put in a dungeon somewhere and on April 16 2012 he would see the light of day and the inside of a court room for the first time.

The other adjective you used was "fair". The defendant has to have a fair trial too and probably a "fair" trial is a tad more important than a "speedy" trial.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The defendant here was indicted "speedily" and since then he and his representatives have been in front of the court with pleadings for things like access to proseuction evidence (discovery) and the like. That means the legal process has been done at a sufficient pace to match the concept of a "speedy trial".

That would likely not be the case if the defendant had been arrested 4 years ago and put in a dungeon somewhere and on April 16 2012 he would see the light of day and the inside of a court room for the first time.

The other adjective you used was "fair". The defendant has to have a fair trial too and probably a "fair" trial is a tad more important than a "speedy" trial.

I totally agree on the part about fairness. If time is needed to ensure fairness, that time should be taken.

But, still, the speedy indictment which you mention is not the same as a speedy trial. My understanding is that there have been big gaps of time over the last 4 years when investigation, discovery, etc., were not being actively pursued. Dead time works against the notion of speed.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

4 years = due process?
Michael Jackson died June 25th, 2009 and his negligent doctor has been tried, convicted and sentenced.

Public outcry and high-profile pushed that case's timeline.

Wonder...if it were Brady instead of ST, would the case have already been tried and convicted? (not wishing anything on Tommy Terrific...at all).

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Two words. Due ... process...

I was thinking Justice.....System

but yours works too. I bet had ST's murderer murdered some Animals in cold blood, he would already be in jail...


I'm sorry for the above rant but it sickens me to see this stuff. People taking so dang long to go to trial when it is obvious they are guilty.

I hope he gets the death penalty. ST was a great player and he was a young guy with a young family, it all got taken away too fast.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I was thinking Justice.....System

but yours works too. I bet had ST's murderer murdered some Animals in cold blood, he would already be in jail...


I'm sorry for the above rant but it sickens me to see this stuff. People taking so dang long to go to trial when it is obvious they are guilty.

I hope he gets the death penalty. ST was a great player and he was a young guy with a young family, it all got taken away too fast.

You hope he gets the death penalty. That is a point Solid Snake, where we differ. I do not support, have never supported, and will never support the death penalty; no matter if someone murders someone, they do not deserve to die. Life in prison w/o possibility of parole, yes, but not the death penalty.
Now proceed to destroy me.

RIP, Sean Taylor.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Two words. Due ... process...

How the hell is taking 4 yrs due process.