Peyton Manning videotaped making 35+ yard throws at Duke University

[Mechanix544]

I agree completely. The greatest qb of all time needs to take a backseat to the offensive genious of Kyle Shanahan, who routinely GETS to the postseason with the texans and the 5-11 Redskins.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I agree completely. The greatest qb of all time needs to take a backseat to the offensive genious of Kyle Shanahan, who routinely GETS to the postseason with the texans and the 5-11 Redskins.

The reason the texans didn't get to the playoffs was the defense, not the offense. Kyle had no control over that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

The reason the texans didn't get to the playoffs was the defense, not the offense. Kyle had no control over that.

In the case of the 2009 Texans (Kyle's final year there), the defense deserves only little blame for that. The Texans only needed one more win, and it's not like they blew a bunch of late leads a la the 2009 Redskins, they had the ball late in a bunch of their losses.

In 2010, (after Kyle took the same position with Washington), sure, that was one of the worst defensive units in NFL history, and the offense featured a well-rounded Arian Foster-led attack that probably deserved better in 2011.

The important thing for the Texans is that in 2011 they got it right: they kept the offensive gains in 2010 (well, at least they did until injury struck), and fixed an underachieving defense by making it less reliant on stars like Mario Williams and Demeco Ryans, and more of a team oriented attack.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In the case of the 2009 Texans (Kyle's final year there), the defense deserves only little blame for that. The Texans only needed one more win, and it's not like they blew a bunch of late leads a la the 2009 Redskins, they had the ball late in a bunch of their losses.

In 2010, (after Kyle took the same position with Washington), sure, that was one of the worst defensive units in NFL history, and the offense featured a well-rounded Arian Foster-led attack that probably deserved better in 2011.

The important thing for the Texans is that in 2011 they got it right: they kept the offensive gains in 2010 (well, at least they did until injury struck), and fixed an underachieving defense by making it less reliant on stars like Mario Williams and Demeco Ryans, and more of a team oriented attack.

Tripp what's your opinion of Wade Philips as a DC? Why do you think his defenses are very good, if not elite?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

The reason the texans didn't get to the playoffs was the defense, not the offense. Kyle had no control over that.

The Texans had a great offense when KS was there and even better offense since he left because of the great players there. Not because KS re-invented the wheel or taught the Texans players how to play. KS is a good coordinator. let's not give him more credit than he deserves just yet. The head coach of the Texans was a respected offensive coordinator as well.
Peyton Manning is a future Hall of Fame QB. KS hopes to make it.
Peyton Manning > KS.