Around the NFL: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not that I'm aware of, he's started all but 5 games the past 3 seasons, certainly no injuries to the extent like Colston has had that's for sure.

Guess I was thinking of Collie and Hernandez.

[SmootSmack]

You know what's crazy, look at some of the top WRs in the free agent market (including Stevie Johnson)

Johnson-7th round pick
Colston-7th round pick
Garcon-6th round pick
Wes Welker-Undrafted
Josh Morgan-6th round pick

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know what's crazy, look at some of the top WRs in the free agent market (including Stevie Johnson)

Johnson-7th round pick
Colston-7th round pick
Garcon-6th round pick
Wes Welker-Undrafted
Josh Morgan-6th round pick

You put Josh Morgan in the same list as these guys? I think that's a bit generous. You really think Morgan is going to garner as much attention as these other guys?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

You put Josh Morgan in the same list as these guys? I think that's a bit generous. You really think Morgan is going to garner as much attention as these other guys?

Josh Morgan is a beast

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Josh Morgan is a beast

Yes he is, he was the best 49ers receiver before he got hurt.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Yes he is, he was the 49ers receiver before he got hurt.

I know he played for them but I thought he was better as a returner than actual receiver. Everyone talks about how pathetic the 49ers receivers are. I just wouldn't have put him that high myself. I mean he's never even broken 700 yards receiving and more than 3 TDs in four seasons in the league.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know what's crazy, look at some of the top WRs in the free agent market (including Stevie Johnson)

Johnson-7th round pick
Colston-7th round pick
Garcon-6th round pick
Wes Welker-Undrafted
Josh Morgan-6th round pick

It just goes to show that nobody ever knows how a wide receiver's career will turn out or any player for that matter. Just look at players like London Fletcher, Arian Foster, Victor Cruz and Miles Austin all of whom are NFL icons but neither of those players were even drafted. Even with young talent, there will always be exceptions outside of the NFL draft.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I know he played for them but I thought he was better as a returner than actual receiver. Everyone talks about how pathetic the 49ers receivers are. I just wouldn't have put him that high myself. I mean he's never even broken 700 yards receiving and more than 3 TDs in four seasons in the league.

Most of the stats were under the old regime, before Harbaugh. Morgan can play and I would target him if Vjax is not signed.

[Ruhskins]

Looks like the numbers came out for the Foster and SJ signings:

Arian Foster's contract $43.5M ($20.75M guaranteed) over 5 yrs
Stevie Johnson's contract $36.25M ($19.5M guaranteed) over 5 yrs

[skinster]

I'm just wondering, why doesn't every team with a high profile free agent that isn't using the franchise tag just tag and trade their players that they're not looking to retain? Mario Williams, Matt Flynn, Terell Thomas, and Levi Brown (maybe, not entirely sure how good he is) come to mind. I'm more talking about williams and flynn considering I'm not entirely sure how much would be gotten for brown or thomas and what their FA plan is (I say this because they can get compensatory picks equal to trade value if they do not sign other FAs). But I would be absolutely shocked if Williams or Flynn didn't get at least a 2nd rounder if put on the trading block, which is significantly better than an after the 3rd round pick from compensation.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinster

I'm just wondering, why doesn't every team with a high profile free agent that isn't using the franchise tag just tag and trade their players that they're not looking to retain? Mario Williams, Matt Flynn, Terell Thomas, and Levi Brown (maybe, not entirely sure how good he is) come to mind. I'm more talking about williams and flynn considering I'm not entirely sure how much would be gotten for brown or thomas and what their FA plan is (I say this because they can get compensatory picks equal to trade value if they do not sign other FAs). But I would be absolutely shocked if Williams or Flynn didn't get at least a 2nd rounder if put on the trading block, which is significantly better than an after the 3rd round pick from compensation.

Why would a team trade a draft pick for a player about to become a free agent?

Also, since last season's trading deadline has passed, I don't think you can trade a player at this point. You would have to wait till the start of the new league year, and at that point the FA's by definition are no longer under contract and the old team has no rights to trade.

[skinster]

Completely unrelated to my previous post, but I had an idea that I think is smart and I'm not sure why it isn't done more. Mike Wallace's tender is a 1st rounder. Whats to stop a team picking in the middle of the 1st round from making a series of pre-draft trades to get down as low as possible. The bears for example are in desperate need of a WR. They have the 19th pick, which is 285 pts higher than the last 1st round pick on the value chart. 285 pts is the equivalent of a late second rounder. I'd have to imagine that if nobody really wanted to trade up, somebody would see the value and give up at least a 3rd rounder. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think teams that want mike wallace should be limited to the teams picking at the end of the first round.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinster

Completely unrelated to my previous post, but I had an idea that I think is smart and I'm not sure why it isn't done more. Mike Wallace's tender is a 1st rounder. Whats to stop a team picking in the middle of the 1st round from making a series of pre-draft trades to get down as low as possible. The bears for example are in desperate need of a WR. They have the 19th pick, which is 285 pts higher than the last 1st round pick on the value chart. 285 pts is the equivalent of a late second rounder. I'd have to imagine that if nobody really wanted to trade up, somebody would see the value and give up at least a 3rd rounder. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think teams that want mike wallace should be limited to the teams picking at the end of the first round.

I'm really confused by this post. Dumb it down for me please

[skinster]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Why would a team trade a draft pick for a player about to become a free agent?

Also, since last season's trading deadline has passed, I don't think you can trade a player at this point. You would have to wait till the start of the new league year, and at that point the FA's by definition are no longer under contract and the old team has no rights to trade.

Well because he's no longer a free agent when you tag him. The patriots did this with Cassel, so I'm sure it can be done.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinster

Well because he's no longer a free agent when you tag him. The patriots did this with Cassel, so I'm sure it can be done.

I am sure there was a conversation about this before, I thought under the new CBA this was not allowed or at the least discouraged. But then again, that's what the Eagles are doing with DJax.