Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[Monkeydad]

I have heard nothing since that 29-0 crap vote asking other owners "do you want to keep your extra $1.6 million or not". That was late March.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I have heard nothing since that 29-0 crap vote asking other owners "do you want to keep your extra $1.6 million or not". That was late March.

Me either. Nor have I heard anything from HoopheadVII.

[SBXVII]

Yeah this is lame. I know this is not considered an emergency and probably should not be rushed but one would think if you already have the Arbitures ear (Bountygate) he might as well hear this issue also. Then there is the question will it be the same Arbiture? and how hard is it to contact him and say give us a date your calender is open to hear the issues. It's like someone is stalling this whole issue so the Arbiture won't come out and say "the league was wrong and they have to give the CAP back" for fear the Skins will go out and pick up some more FA's, and they don't want it heard before the draft so the Arbiture won't give the teams draft picks as compensation for any unjust punishement.

I gust we just have to be resolved that this issue will not be heard for a long time and if we are lucky we get our CAP space back to be used next year which the other owners probably could care less about. Their concern is one team picking up all the decent talent in one offseason which they squashed easily this year. Their only small concern now is how to give back the CAP space that was spread out amongst other teams especially if it was used already.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Me either. Nor have I heard anything from HoopheadVII.

Ya know, I just picture John Mara going to a whole bunch of Skins/Cowboys boards and throwing his justification out. LOL

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ya know, I just picture John Mara going to a whole bunch of Skins/Cowboys boards and throwing his justification out. LOL

LOL! Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[HoopheadVII]

LOL. I get my news here. I just got inspired by JoeRedskin to read the actual docs and give my opinion from there.

[skinster]

Was there ever any news on what we would be seeking as retribution? I don't remember a team every being wronged by the league before and been able to take it to court. I'm very interested to see what would happen if we win. I say compensatory picks.

[Monksdown]

The only 'compensation' we would receive would be a reversal of the cap penalty. While true that it put us at a competitive disadvantage, i dont believe you can expect the pendulum to swing that far back our way.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

LOL. I get my news here. I just got inspired by JoeRedskin to read the actual docs and give my opinion from there.

LOL! Funny thing is, I actually did as well, and posted a link to the old CBA in one of these threads. Might be this one, several pages back.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

The only 'compensation' we would receive would be a reversal of the cap penalty. While true that it put us at a competitive disadvantage, i dont believe you can expect the pendulum to swing that far back our way.

I would be fine with just reversing the cap penalty. It wouldn't obviously change what has been done this season, but next season would be great.

[SBXVII]

News....

Hearing coming in May on Redskins, Cowboys cap grievance | ProFootballTalk

[Ruhskins]

I can see us having to bite the bullet in terms of the 18 mil we lost this year, but possibly having the rest of the penalty lifted. Although, I wouldn't mind having the entire 36 mil lifted, it would allow us to get some FAs late in the offseason or even during the season if there is a need.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I can see us having to bite the bullet in terms of the 18 mil we lost this year, but possibly having the rest of the penalty lifted. Although, I wouldn't mind having the entire 36 mil lifted, it would allow us to get some FAs late in the offseason or even during the season if there is a need.

I can see your point only because we spent the half that was left with us already but I really think we have a really good legal arguement and could see the full punishment being dropped.

The league contends that the Cowboys and Redskins violated the “spirit” of the salary cap during the uncapped year of 2010, even though the NFL approved all contracts submitted by the teams containing payments in 2010. The circumstances suggest that the NFL tried to impose restrictions on spending that didn’t exist in the labor deal, which would constitute collusion in the uncapped year.

The issue is over the spirit part. If there was no rule or law against it then there really should be no punishment. The other owners might not be able to trust DS or JJ anymore with any agreements but that was the risk all the owners forced to accept.

and the NFL approved the contracts. If the NFL didn't like the contracts or it fell outside of the "spirit" of their salary cap then the NFL should have and did have the opportunity to deny them or tell the teams to rework the contracts. They didn't. Their mistake not ours. But there was no mistake. Had the NFL used their right to deny or tell teams to rework the contracts at that point the NFLPA would have had an arguement and evidence of the owners colluding. So to keep from getting into trouble the NFL approved the contracts and moved forward with their talks with the NFLPA over a new CBA. Now after the fact the NFL wants to say "oh we didn't like what you did and didn't like having to agree to those contracts and now that we have a new CBA and an agreement with the NFLPA over not coming after us we will punish you for not following the "spirit" of what we all wanted everyone to follow."

[skinsguy]

"The move has prompted a significant outcry from Cowboys and Redskins games, creating an unholy alliance between two arch rivals that could confirm the accuracy of the Mayan calendar."

LOL!!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I can see us having to bite the bullet in terms of the 18 mil we lost this year, but possibly having the rest of the penalty lifted. Although, I wouldn't mind having the entire 36 mil lifted, it would allow us to get some FAs late in the offseason or even during the season if there is a need.

I think getting $18M back for next year is the most likely outcome.


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