Nick Hanauer - Job Creator Myth

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Originally Posted by firstdown

That's pretty narrow minded thinking only 250 people build those boats. Who builds the motors, electronics, the interior stuff, like toilets, showers, pumps, fittings, etc, etc.... How much of the work is sub contractors and how many people do they employ. Also those are not new boats in that ship yard. Oh, who built that building, paved that surface, ran electrical, plumbing in that building.

I have only scratched the surface of the employees it takes to make those boats float down the river.

Yeah, and how many of these boats are made per year? Not many, which means the demand for those other parts are VERY low as well. So again, lets not act like the rich create a lot of jobs. They don't.

Also, you have still yet to answer my question, which no doubt you ignored on purpose.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah, and how many of these boats are made per year? Not many, which means the demand for those other parts are VERY low as well. So again, lets not act like the rich create a lot of jobs. They don't.

Also, you have still yet to answer my question, which no doubt you ignored on purpose.

You have never owned a boat I can see. My point was not how many jobs the rich created with their toys it was that Nick Hanauer said the rich do not creat jobs and they do. As for your question I'd say probably giving the thousand to a million people but again your changing my original point I was making.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

You have never owned a boat I can see. My point was not how many jobs the rich created with their toys it was that Nick Hanauer said the rich do not creat jobs and they do. As for your question I'd say probably giving the thousand to a million people but again your changing my original point I was making.

Then you are changing Hanauer's overall point that the rich don't really create jobs. Aside a few jobs here and there to make their "toys", they really don't create jack shit in the grand scheme of it all and you know this so stop spouting such garbage. The overall idea from the conservative crew is that if you give the rich people all the money, they'll create jobs. It hasn't worked since Regan fooled people into believing this and it'll NEVER work because they are keeping the money for themselves. Just so we are clear, you in fact agreed that the economy would be better spent by spreading that money around as opposed to letting one man horde it all.


Yes my family has owned boats and sailboats all of our lives. Skiing, fishing, scuba diving. I live right off the coast of NC bro. It's what we do.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Then you are changing Hanauer's overall point that the rich don't really create jobs. Aside a few jobs here and there to make their "toys", they really don't create jack shit in the grand scheme of it all and you know this so stop spouting such garbage. The overall idea from the conservative crew is that if you give the rich people all the money, they'll create jobs. It hasn't worked since Regan fooled people into believing this and it'll NEVER work because they are keeping the money for themselves. Just so we are clear, you in fact agreed that the economy would be better spent by spreading that money around as opposed to letting one man horde it all.


Yes my family has owned boats and sailboats all of our lives. Skiing, fishing, scuba diving. I live right off the coast of NC bro. It's what we do.

So you want socialism? So my rich friend (your words) with 89 employess does not create jobs? My buddy who owns a orthopaedic physical therapy and sports medicine business with around 25 employees does not create jobs? Thanks I'll let them know.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

So you want socialism? So my rich friend (your words) with 89 employess does not create jobs? My buddy who owns a orthopaedic physical therapy and sports medicine business with around 25 employees does not create jobs? Thanks I'll let them know.

No, I don't socialism, but I don't want very few people owning all the wealth, which is exactly what is happening.


Your buddy doesn't employee those people by himself and for himself. His business employees those people. Does he take all that money he gets with his tax breaks and hire people to do random stuff or create extra jobs with the money he's saving? I seriously doubt he does.


Also, unless your "rich friend" is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, he's probably not in the category we are talking about.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, I don't socialism, but I don't want very few people owning all the wealth, which is exactly what is happening.


Your buddy doesn't employee those people by himself and for himself. His business employees those people. Does he take all that money he gets with his tax breaks and hire people to do random stuff or create extra jobs with the money he's saving? I seriously doubt he does.


Also, unless your "rich friend" is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, he's probably not in the category we are talking about.

In both cases they are the business and without them there would not be a business. I know the friend with 89 employees takes a bunch of money every year and puts it back into his business so he has capital to grow and hire new employees. We are really picking at things to prove a point. All of us, the rich, middle class, and the poor creat jobs in one way or the other and its time we quit playing the class card against one another. I'll agree that the rich probaly would not be rich without the spending of the middle class and the poor but on the same hand alot of the poor and middle class would not have jobs without the rich creating them. Last time I checked we all depend on one another in some shape or form.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

In both cases they are the business and without them there would not be a business. I know the friend with 89 employees takes a bunch of money every year and puts it back into his business so he has capital to grow and hire new employees. We are really picking at things to prove a point. All of us, the rich, middle class, and the poor creat jobs in one way or the other and its time we quit playing the class card against one another. I'll agree that the rich probaly would not be rich without the spending of the middle class and the poor but on the same hand alot of the poor and middle class would not have jobs without the rich creating them. Last time I checked we all depend on one another in some shape or form.

Well, I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about stuff that really is "small business" related. I don't think people have a problem with small businesses. I think it has more to do with the big corporations. Should the Walton family continue to rake in billions or help raise the quality of life for their employees, which in turn would also enable them to spend more (gasp even at walmart).

You are arguing semantics. His claim about rich not creating jobs isn't to be taking literal that not a single job was created. It's talking about the big picture of things, the over all job market. It's been proven that giving rich people more money doesn't help out the economy in any shape form or fashion. The numbers and graphs prove that. In fact, the economy has always done better when the rich were taxed heavily.

Also, we can't stop playing the class card because there is definitely a class warfare. Rich are trying to get richer and keep their power hold on the government. The poor and middle class are scrapping to stay alive. Eventually one of two things will happen. The rich will win and the public will riot and revolt. The rich will be put back into line and things will balance back out. The pure fact remains that we can't continue down this course we are going.


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