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[offiss]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I just don't agree with this at all.

When Gibbs had Joe Theismann in hand, he acquired Jay Schroeder. When he had Jay Schroeder in hand, he acquired Doug Williams. When he had Doug Williams in hand, he acquired Mark Rypien.

Gibbs has always felt the need to have two quality quarterbacks on the roster. He tried to do that last year by bringing Brunell in to join Ramsey. If anything, the Campbell draft pick is an indictment of Mark Brunell; I think Gibbs now realizes that Brunell is a bum (despite what he says publicly).

I think Gibbs just saw something special in Campbell and decided to go get him. Gibbs likes to have two good QBs, and he's just going to play the best one. Simple as that.

Your missing the point, and the point is none of those players were drafted higher than the 3rd rd, they were projects that Beathard took a chance on that they could be developed, a far cry from what we gave up to get Campbell, you also can't compare Gibbs first tenure to today's NFL we now have a salary cap to contend with, you do not give up what we gave up for a first rd QB to make him a project, period!

Basically if Gibbs had any confidence in Ramsey there is no way we take Campbell where we did, what is the point? To have 2 bonified starters on our roster to watch Campbell just sit and eat up our salary cap? Tell me what's the plan for Campbell if Gibbs believes in Ramsey? I would like to know the thinking behind that one? As I said from day 1 the Campbell pick was just plain stupid no matter how you look at it.

If Gibbs believes in Ramsey than all he should have been looking for is a #2 backup to groom, instead we now have neither, Campbell is 3 season's away, and Brunell another Gibbs move well we all saw how that panned out.

My question is this, what happens if Ramsey goes down this season? Does anyone think Campbell can step in? Don't make me laugh at that one, so I guess we are 1 hit away from Brunell and a high 1st rd draft pick next year, oh wait we don't have one, WONDERFUL!

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by offiss

Your missing the point, and the point is none of those players were drafted higher than the 3rd rd, they were projects that Beathard took a chance on that they could be developed, a far cry from what we gave up to get Campbell, you also can't compare Gibbs first tenure to today's NFL we now have a salary cap to contend with, you do not give up what we gave up for a first rd QB to make him a project, period!

Basically if Gibbs had any confidence in Ramsey there is no way we take Campbell where we did, what is the point? To have 2 bonified starters on our roster to watch Campbell just sit and eat up our salary cap? Tell me what's the plan for Campbell if Gibbs believes in Ramsey? I would like to know the thinking behind that one? As I said from day 1 the Campbell pick was just plain stupid no matter how you look at it.

If Gibbs believes in Ramsey than all he should have been looking for is a #2 backup to groom, instead we now have neither, Campbell is 3 season's away, and Brunell another Gibbs move well we all saw how that panned out.

My question is this, what happens if Ramsey goes down this season? Does anyone think Campbell can step in? Don't make me laugh at that one, so I guess we are 1 hit away from Brunell and a high 1st rd draft pick next year, oh wait we don't have one, WONDERFUL!

offiss -
We're going to have to agree to disagree. Campbell isn't three years from being ready - I don't think any player is that far. if he isn't ready to play next year, he likely won't ever be. To arbitrarily have him ready in 2008 seems capricious. (I just found a thesaurus).

To say that 2005 is Ramsey's year, despite no history of success (and I'm a huge Ramsey fan) and not be prepared to be wrong would be grossly irresponsible. Brunell will be gone next year, which gives you a choice of Ramsey (whether he's successful or not), a free agent (who will have to adjust to a new offense), or a rookie (who will need to learn not only the offense, but adjust to the speed of the league) - unless you draft a player to learn for a year. The cost was high, true, but if Ramsey can't make the leap this year, what is the alternative?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

To say that 2005 is Ramsey's year, despite no history of success (and I'm a huge Ramsey fan) and not be prepared to be wrong would be grossly irresponsible. Brunell will be gone next year, which gives you a choice of Ramsey (whether he's successful or not), a free agent (who will have to adjust to a new offense), or a rookie (who will need to learn not only the offense, but adjust to the speed of the league) - unless you draft a player to learn for a year. The cost was high, true, but if Ramsey can't make the leap this year, what is the alternative?

yup, the more scenarios we hear, the less faith we see Gibbs has in Ramsey. 2nd or 3rd round is being prudent. 1st round over major needs is being straight doubtful.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Take the names out of this and tell me how outrageous this thinking is:


Last year's defensive unit - ranked in the top 3 in the league - lost their starting MLB and one of their starting CBs to free agency. Their starting SS has been absent for all team workouts since last season ended and is facing trial on felony charges in September 2005 - pending motions to put off the trial date. The projected replacement for the lost MLB is someone who was injured for all of last season; the projected replacement for the lost CB is a player who was injured for much of last season or possibly a high round draftee who is currently injured. Based on those happenings, the team has not had the kind of offseason that it might have wished to have.

Last year's offensive unit was less than productive and had a quarterback controversy for about half the season. After announcing that the QB who finished out last year was the starter this year, the team went out and spent a lot of captial just before the draft to pick another QB. Might this be the start of another QB controversy? It could happen - - and QB controversies don't usually make offensive units a whole lot better.

[SmootSmack]

How outrageous is this thinking?

Going into last season the defensive unit lost its starting All-Pro middle linebacker and replaced him with a undrafted free agent who had never started a mike lb before, let alone played the position. Just one month into the season the unit lost its All-Pro outside linebacker and replaced him with another undrafted free agent playing out of his natural position. The unit also lost not only its starting strong safety but also the primary backup, forcing it to use the 3rd stringer at that position. Additionally, the unit was without its starting DE for much of the season...

And still the unit finished ranked in the top 3 in the league

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How outrageous is this thinking?

Going into last season the defensive unit lost its starting All-Pro middle linebacker and replaced him with a undrafted free agent who had never started a mike lb before, let alone played the position. Just one month into the season the unit lost its All-Pro outside linebacker and replaced him with another undrafted free agent playing out of his natural position. The unit also lost not only its starting strong safety but also the primary backup, forcing it to use the 3rd stringer at that position. Additionally, the unit was without its starting DE for much of the season...

And still the unit finished ranked in the top 3 in the league

It really pisses me off man, with all the freaking fan fare that G Williams has gotten, I got to still believe that he is underated, GET OFF SMOOT AND PIERCE, they were good players on a VERY VERY good Defensive unit. They were just pieces of a bigger puzzle!!!!

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How outrageous is this thinking?

Going into last season the defensive unit lost its starting All-Pro middle linebacker and replaced him with a undrafted free agent who had never started a mike lb before, let alone played the position. Just one month into the season the unit lost its All-Pro outside linebacker and replaced him with another undrafted free agent playing out of his natural position. The unit also lost not only its starting strong safety but also the primary backup, forcing it to use the 3rd stringer at that position. Additionally, the unit was without its starting DE for much of the season...

And still the unit finished ranked in the top 3 in the league

nice post.

and may i add, the skins had also lost their all-pro cb (bailey) during the offseason and replaced him with an aging cb coming off of an injury (springs)