Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or even worse yet, more people could have been hurt or killed in the cross fire.

Seriously? That's your argument?

Just let him empty his guns on the crowd then. Don't let responsible, trained gun owners try to stop him.

People who obtain a C&C license typically take their responsibility very seriously. They get trained. They practice. Most of all, they realize they need to use only when necessary and are typically smart about it because they know acting irresponsibly with a weapon will get them in huge trouble. They're not a bunch of trigger-happy rednecks like the anti-gun activists like to paint them as.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Seriously? That's your argument?

Just let him empty his guns on the crowd then. Don't let responsible, trained gun owners try to stop him.

People who obtain a C&C license typically take their responsibility very seriously. They get trained. They practice. Most of all, they realize they need to use only when necessary and are typically smart about it because they know acting irresponsibly with a weapon will get them in huge trouble. They're not a bunch of trigger-happy rednecks like the anti-gun activists like to paint them as.

So are we then giving guns only to trained people then? And making sure they're at the movie too? Or are we, as you seemed to imply, on your first post, giving it to anyone who wanted a gun?

I think SolidSnake's anecdote in the other thread (I believe about his friend) who got a gun and now is spooked by anything and ready to just fire and will one day unintentionally seriously hurt someone innocently was on point.

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer. Nor do I think we should cling so blindly to the 2nd amendment as an excuse for it. If we're not willing to evolve from the past...well then, 12thMan would be 4thMan

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer.

John Lott does and he's actually taken the time to substantiate his position. If you have some time please read 'More Guns, Less Crime' and you may change your position.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

John Lott does and he's actually taken the time to substantiate his position. If you have some time please read 'More Guns, Less Crime' and you may change your position.

In general, I agree with the Lott's conclusions. My biggest dispute, at this point, is the assertion that, in the Aurora shooting, casualties would have been undeniably lessened if they there had been trained gunmen in the audience.

Lott asserts gun ownership promotes deterence. Deterence, however, does not work for crazy folks.

Everyone should just go back and read the Ted Nugent thread. Lots of good stuff in there.

[NC_Skins]

I do think this.

1) people should have to enroll in a training course and pass it before owning a gun

2) no felons or people with mental issues should be allowed to own a gun


Just like a car, a person has to be trained and tested before he's given access to drive down the road. I see no qualm with having a person go through the same type of training for something that could potentially kill another(just like a car) if improperly used.

Now, I don't think people should be allowed to own bazookas or surface to air missiles...lol

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I do think this.

1) people should have to enroll in a training course and pass it before owning a gun

2) no felons or people with mental issues should be allowed to own a gun


Just like a car, a person has to be trained and tested before he's given access to drive down the road. I see no qualm with having a person go through the same type of training for something that could potentially kill another(just like a car) if improperly used.

Now, I don't think people should be allowed to own bazookas or surface to air missiles...lol

Here is sunny CA that's exactly what we have to do.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Here is sunny CA that's exactly what we have to do.

Even for rifles and shotguns?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Even for rifles and shotguns?

Don't know, never been interested in owning one.

Bureau of Firearms | State of California - Department of Justice - Kamala D. Harris Attorney General

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So are we then giving guns only to trained people then? And making sure they're at the movie too? Or are we, as you seemed to imply, on your first post, giving it to anyone who wanted a gun?

I think SolidSnake's anecdote in the other thread (I believe about his friend) who got a gun and now is spooked by anything and ready to just fire and will one day unintentionally seriously hurt someone innocently was on point.

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer. Nor do I think we should cling so blindly to the 2nd amendment as an excuse for it. If we're not willing to evolve from the past...well then, 12thMan would be 4thMan

You just can't walk into a gun store and buy a hand gun and then get a carry permit. See the attached. All we have to do is look at the states and cities where guns are illegal. If I'm correct they have on average much higher crime rates. More liberal gun laws in areas seem to have lower crime rates. Its one thing to break into a house knowing they don't have guns and another to break into a house not knowing.

Instructions

1. • 1 Pass the concealed weapon training class and be over the age of 21. You must pass the training course prior to submitting an application for your gun license. The costs and training depend on the permit you are trying to acquire.
     
     
   • 2 Go to the circuit court and complete an application in person. You will need your training certificate and photo identification. Most jurisdictions require fingerprints for residents and non-residents. You cannot send your license application in the mail. The court clerk has 45 days to deny or approve your permit application. If your application hasn't been processed within 45 days, the court clerk will issue you a temporary permit that will expire in 90 days.
     
     
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   • 3 Renew your permit. Every five years residents and non-residents must renew their permit. Non-residents must provide fingerprints, but residents do not.
     
     

Read more: How to Obtain Gun Licenses in Virginia | eHow.com How to Obtain Gun Licenses in Virginia | eHow.com

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So are we then giving guns only to trained people then? And making sure they're at the movie too? Or are we, as you seemed to imply, on your first post, giving it to anyone who wanted a gun?

I think SolidSnake's anecdote in the other thread (I believe about his friend) who got a gun and now is spooked by anything and ready to just fire and will one day unintentionally seriously hurt someone innocently was on point.

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer. Nor do I think we should cling so blindly to the 2nd amendment as an excuse for it. If we're not willing to evolve from the past...well then, 12thMan would be 4thMan

Don't forget they would need a gas mask too in order to shoot down the CO gun man. Night vision would probably help too. Not even Rambo would have stopped that guy. He had the element of surprise, tear gas, darkness and no fear for his own life. To say the deck was stacked in his favor is a understatement.

I really don't care if folks (sane law abiding) have guns but to think if you could carry around a gun in your township as though you were Charles Bronson cleaning up the streets of crazed gunman is just quit humorous to me. Unless you have a military or police training most likely you are going to freeze up in that situation or worst shoot a innocent person. The crazed person is not going to stand there like a paper target waiting for you to be the hero.

CO movie shooter, VT, Columbine are sucker punches; no way to defend them. Even Bruce Lee could have been sucker punched if he didn't know it was coming. How can I defend against a sucker punch? Keep my hands up during the whole day protecting my face? Look kind of silly. If some one wants to sucker punch you they are going to do it.

I swear some of you most day dream like Ralphie from a Christmas Story with his Red Ryder taking out the robberies in his backyard.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Don't forget they would need a gas mask too in order to shoot down the CO gun man. Night vision would probably help too. Not even Rambo would have stopped that guy. He had the element of surprise, tear gas, darkness and no fear for his own life. To say the deck was stacked in his favor is a understatement.

I really don't care if folks (sane law abiding) have guns but to think if you could carry around a gun in your township as though you were Charles Bronson cleaning up the streets of crazed gunman is just quit humorous to me. Unless you have a military or police training most likely you are going to freeze up in that situation or worst shoot a innocent person. The crazed person is not going to stand there like a paper target waiting for you to be the hero.

CO movie shooter, VT, Columbine are sucker punches; no way to defend them. Even Bruce Lee could have been sucker punched if he didn't know it was coming. How can I defend against a sucker punch? Keep my hands up during the whole day protecting my face? Look kind of silly. If some one wants to sucker punch you they are going to do it.

I swear some of you most day dream like Ralphie from a Christmas Story with his Red Ryder taking out the robberies in his backyard.

I have two friends who have a carry permits and I'd bet that both could take the guy down and pretty quick. AAs for the sucker punch. No cannot stop a sucker punch but you can kick the dudes ass after he sucker punches you.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I have two friends who have a carry permits and I'd bet that both could take the guy down and pretty quick. AAs for the sucker punch. No cannot stop a sucker punch but you can kick the dudes ass after he sucker punches you.

You really think with tear gas flying, darkness, body armor, loud noise which resembles gun fire (the movie) and people flying everywhere your buddies would have knocked him off? Ok, maybe there is something on their Bat utility belt that I am forgetting that would better their odds.

I agree you can beat the crap out of him after the punch but you still have a broken nose.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

You really think with tear gas flying, darkness, body armor, loud noise which resembles gun fire (the movie) and people flying everywhere your buddies would have knocked him off? Ok, maybe there is something on their Bat utility belt that I am forgetting that would better their odds.

I agree you can beat the crap out of him after the punch but you still have a broken nose.

So do you shoot guns?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So do you shoot guns?

Yes but not really my thing. Some hunting some target practice. A lot of friends that do it so I just tag along.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Don't forget they would need a gas mask ....<SNIP>

So you're anti-gun and can't understand how pro-gunners are generally less hysterical and less prone to freezing?

Ok, I see where you're coming from.