A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mooby

I knew as soon as I read this post that you had started this thread. And no offense bro, but I'd say this thread has served its' purpose. You incited a meaningful discussion and got people thinking about your topic. Now let it run its' course. Besides, the crowd will decide what direction this thread will go in. In fact, if you had just ignored his comment (which imo had hardly the effect you might think it had) nobody probably would've noticed, and now all you've done is brought unwarranted attention to the situation.

Some people actually like discussing football X's and O's and football philosophy or concept.
This thread has been a chronicle of the changes to the offense throughout the offseason dealing specifically with option concepts.
So of course its not gonna be everyone cup o tea and I get that.
If you feel its run its course, that's fine too.
And, I did ignore his post.
I made a general comment about this thread to another poster who actually did respond.

-httr

Originally Posted by punch it in

So my answer is...............

the core offense/formations and playcalling balance will remain unchanged and Griffin's own ability will raise the level of execution and add more playmaking ability?

That was my original thought also.
But as the offseason progressed and more information about the offense leaked out and the offense became more visible to the media/public.
It seems that at the very least there will be some pistol formation, some zone-read, and some designed QB runs.

So it looks like there will be some change I guess a combination of these two options from the OP:

o the core offense/formations will remain unchanged but the playcalling balance will return and the offense will look more like Houston and the traditional Mike S. Denver WCO with a heavy focus on stretch running and boot-action passing?

o the offense formations will change and our offense will adopt and feature some of Baylor's formations and concepts, like they way the Panthers added some of Auburns formations, plays and concepts?

...but either way I can't wait to see it

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Some people actually like discussing football X's and O's and football philosophy or concept.
This thread has been a chronicle of the changes to the offense throughout the offseason dealing specifically with option concepts.
So of course its not gonna be everyone cup o tea and I get that.
If you feel its run its course, that's fine too.
And, I did ignore his post.
I made a general comment about this thread to another poster who actually did respond.

-httr


That was my original thought also.
But as the offseason progressed and more information about the offense leaked out and the offense became more visible to the media/public.
It seems that at the very least there will be some pistol formation, some zone-read, and some designed QB runs.

So it looks like there will be some change I guess a combination of these two options from the OP:

o the core offense/formations will remain unchanged but the playcalling balance will return and the offense will look more like Houston and the traditional Mike S. Denver WCO with a heavy focus on stretch running and boot-action passing?

o the offense formations will change and our offense will adopt and feature some of Baylor's formations and concepts, like they way the Panthers added some of Auburns formations, plays and concepts?

...but either way I can't wait to see it

I can't wait until Thursday to see a little pistol with some zone read options. I can't remember when I've been so stoked just to see schematic changes.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I can't wait until Thursday to see a little pistol with some zone read options. I can't remember when I've been so stoked just to see schematic changes.

Yeah, I have never been this excited to see a Redskins offense.

Kyle/Mike have some decisions to make about whether/how much to show of the new stuff.
Personally, I would err towards not showing any of the new stuff that involves Griffin running.
(a) The surprise factor would be diminishesd and (b) right now the OL is kinda a mixed bad right now and some of the zone-read stuff is dependent upon good protection; don't want to see Griff take any unnecessary hits.

But they could still use the run elements of the new concepts.
For example they could calls some designed RB runs from the pistol and shotgun.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Yeah, I have never been this excited to see a Redskins offense.

Kyle/Mike have some decisions to make about whether/how much to show of the new stuff.
Personally, I would err towards not showing any of the new stuff that involves Griffin running.
(a) The surprise factor would be diminishesd and (b) right now the OL is kinda a mixed bad right now and some of the zone-read stuff is dependent upon good protection; don't want to see Griff take any unnecessary hits.

But they could still use the run elements of the new concepts.
For example they could calls some designed RB runs from the pistol and shotgun.

I dont think that there is a surprise factor when it comes to Griffin scrambling. He's gonna do it at some point, the teams know and I think expect that, but even at that point, whatever team he does it against is prolly gonna get burnt. Just got to show him slides of Michael Vick and newton not sliding, and teach him to do it EVERY TIME unless he is going to the house.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I dont think that there is a surprise factor when it comes to Griffin scrambling. He's gonna do it at some point, the teams know and I think expect that, but even at that point, whatever team he does it against is prolly gonna get burnt. Just got to show him slides of Michael Vick and newton not sliding, and teach him to do it EVERY TIME unless he is going to the house.

I was talking about the new features of the offense i.e. zone-read that involve Griff as a runner or run threat; not talking about Griff scrambling which I agree will be no surprise.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I dont think that there is a surprise factor when it comes to Griffin scrambling. He's gonna do it at some point, the teams know and I think expect that, but even at that point, whatever team he does it against is prolly gonna get burnt. Just got to show him slides of Michael Vick and newton not sliding, and teach him to do it EVERY TIME unless he is going to the house.

RG3 is smarter than Vick and Newton - he will slide when he has to. Im as excited about the brain in this kids head as I am about his physical attributes -we are talking the whole package here folks.......

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by punch it in

RG3 is smarter than Vick and Newton - he will slide when he has to. Im as excited about the brain in this kids head as I am about his physical attributes -we are talking the whole package here folks.......

Yes, he's smart but he's also used to scoring TDs and winning. I hope he does learn to protect himself at the pro level. In college, he went around, past or over defenders. As Cam Newton learned from London Fletcher, that doesn't always work in the NFL.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Yes, he's smart but he's also used to scoring TDs and winning. I hope he does learn to protect himself at the pro level. In college, he went around, past or over defenders. As Cam Newton learned from London Fletcher, that doesn't always work in the NFL.

Originally Posted by punch it in

- he will slide when he has to. Im as excited about the brain in this kids head as I am about his physical attributes -we are talking the whole package here folks.......

We hope Griff will slide when he has to but he has to prove it.
In college Griff was fearless/reckless often going through or over defenders.
Newton, even at Auburn was very smart about when and where to take contact and he carried it over in the NFL.
Vick on the other hand has yet to display this discretion.
With Griff time will tell.