2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.


Lobbying spent by industries
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

Lobbying spent by Top Spenders
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.


(watch the video where he interviews a lobbyist)
Corporations Have Unlimited Lobbying Power, Lobbyist Says (VIDEO)

Carrying on with your party's falsehood claims though.

[NC_Skins]

Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose.




Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against' | Music News | Rolling Stone

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose.

haha Morello just pwned the crap outta him...

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "**** the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!

Something tells me Ryan really doesn't "get" Rage Against the Machine. He might listen, but he's not really hearing it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.

You are truly the smartest guy on the board

While your internert search capabilities to back up your off-base viewpoints are admirable, your ability to not read what you want into someone's posts to counter them is suspect at best.

Here's what I said: But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

Perhaps you should not just throw up specific industries that lobby but look at who controls the specific firms within that sector. What you'll find is that the balance is relatively even between contributions to D & R. What I didn't mention (but obviously should have) is PAC contributions and lobbying while different technically still have the same goal....to pay for influence. When you look at PAC numbers under Labor their contributions are significant and overwhelmingly Dem.

I couldn't even find Phillip Morris or what I recognize as a tobacco lobby listed in the Top Spenders. But I did find GE (big Obama supporter) listed #2 in spending, along with the AMA and AARP.

So anyway, as usual, it is you who don't get it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You are truly the smartest guy on the board

That honor belongs to Smoot due to his inside sources. He really is the international man of mystery.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Here's what I said: But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

I interpret that sentence as........."For every business lobby out there, you have a corresponding environmental and labor union with it." Now, if that wasn't what you were implying, I humbly apologize and retract.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Perhaps you should not just throw up specific industries that lobby but look at who controls the specific firms within that sector. What you'll find is that the balance is relatively even between contributions to D & R. What I didn't mention (but obviously should have) is PAC contributions and lobbying while different technically still have the same goal....to pay for influence. When you look at PAC numbers under Labor their contributions are significant and overwhelmingly Dem.

I couldn't even find Phillip Morris or what I recognize as a tobacco lobby listed in the Top Spenders. But I did find GE (big Obama supporter) listed #2 in spending, along with the AMA and AARP.

So anyway, as usual, it is you who don't get it.

See, this is the part you don't get and why I said you don't get it. Where in my post did I mention anything about democrat or republican? Yet, you are up here chirping about lobbying spending big dough to Obama and the Dems. You are so caught up in your conservatives vs liberal war, you don't even see the avalanche coming down the slope and its coming from both parties. (or maybe you do see it and continue to support it??) Corporate America owns you. I posted the link you need to see and hear, and yet you haven't commented one bit on the status of campaign financing and big money lobbyists.

That said, Union and Environmental lobbying spending is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate spending, which is why you see Unions being snuffed out via legislation.

Also, you should probably view this in case you missed it. A interview with a lobbyist talking about how corrupt and F'd the system is. (applies to both sides of the fence)

Confessions of a lobbyist - Video on NBCNews.com

[NC_Skins]

Very relevant.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Very relevant.

Seems like a perfect segway to post a song from the greatest band of all time.