Chris Cooley

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

mredskin:

^ The game has not passed him by. After he was on IR all last season, he lost 20-25 pounds in the offseason and got his knee healthy. Cooley has worked hard and I for one can't get my head around the position switch from WR to TE for Niles Paul. The TE rotation should be what it was in 2011 and in 2010 with Davis, Cooley, and Paulsen. But since Davis is on IR, then have Niles Paul play TE. Paul should be listed as a WR/TE because he's not a true TE because he drops to many damn passes.

Regardless of how Mike Shanahan likes to micro manage, Cooley should be involved with the offense more than he is.

I love when we substitute our judgment for that of a coach that has won the super bowl. Do you really think Shanahan wouldn't play Cooley if he thought we could benefit? 31 teams in the league could have signed this former star to their roster and didn't. If he breaks into our starting TE rotation we're in really serious trouble...

And micro managing is what coaches do, so lets not get on MS for that.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

I love when we substitute our judgment for that of a coach that has won the super bowl. Do you really think Shanahan wouldn't play Cooley if he thought we could benefit? 31 teams in the league could have signed this former star to their roster and didn't. If he breaks into our starting TE rotation we're in really serious trouble...

And micro managing is what coaches do, so lets not get on MS for that.

So you're saying that Logan Paulsen is just as good as Antonio Gates, Martellis Bennett, Jason Witten, Growkoski for the Pats, Jimmy Graham, or Tony Gonzales? Come on, man. Gonzales is undoubtedly the oldest TE starting in the NFL and at 36 he hasn't lost anything. Mike Shanahan has rewarded the starting job to Paulsen because he's worked hard in practice and has been on the team for 3 years. But Logan Paulsen is still not better the Chris Cooley.

I disagree with everything you said.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

So you're saying that Logan Paulsen is just as good as Antonio Gates, Martellis Bennett, Jason Witten, Growkoski for the Pats, Jimmy Graham, or Tony Gonzales? Come on, man. Gonzales is undoubtedly the oldest TE starting in the NFL and at 36 he hasn't lost anything. Mike Shanahan has rewarded the starting job to Paulsen because he's worked hard in practice and has been on the team for 3 years. But Logan Paulsen is still not better the Chris Cooley.

I disagree with everything you said.

what? where did you get that from?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by los panda

what? where did you get that from?

When we think of starting TEs in the NFL, we look at the most productive. I simply compared Paulsen to the most productive and he dwarfs all of them in retrospect.

That's where I got that from.....

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

So you're saying that Logan Paulsen is just as good as Antonio Gates, Martellis Bennett, Jason Witten, Growkoski for the Pats, Jimmy Graham, or Tony Gonzales? Come on, man. Gonzales is undoubtedly the oldest TE starting in the NFL and at 36 he hasn't lost anything. Mike Shanahan has rewarded the starting job to Paulsen because he's worked hard in practice and has been on the team for 3 years. But Logan Paulsen is still not better the Chris Cooley.

I disagree with everything you said.

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Side related note: Antonio Gates has lost a lot. Even with the Chargers winning big against Pittsburgh, he was dropping easy passes and just doesn't look like his old self.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

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Side related note: Antonio Gates has lost a lot. Even with the Chargers winning big against Pittsburgh, he was dropping easy passes and just doesn't look like his old self.

I mentioned other tight ends besides Antonio Gates. Paulsen is not on any of their levels, I'm afraid. He's serviceable but he's no Witten or Gronkowski.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I mentioned other tight ends besides Antonio Gates. Paulsen is not on any of their levels, I'm afraid. He's serviceable but he's no Witten or Gronkowski.

I was confused b/c I don't think anyone said that Paulsen was at that level. Although, Paulsen is in his second year so he could very well become more than a serviceable player. Personally, I think he's playing better than the shell of a player that Gates has become.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I was confused b/c I don't think anyone said that Paulsen was at that level. Although, Paulsen is in his second year so he could very well become more than a serviceable player. Personally, I think he's playing better than the shell of a player that Gates has become.

that's what i'm saying

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

So you're saying that Logan Paulsen is just as good as Antonio Gates, Martellis Bennett, Jason Witten, Growkoski for the Pats, Jimmy Graham, or Tony Gonzales? Come on, man. Gonzales is undoubtedly the oldest TE starting in the NFL and at 36 he hasn't lost anything. Mike Shanahan has rewarded the starting job to Paulsen because he's worked hard in practice and has been on the team for 3 years. But Logan Paulsen is still not better the Chris Cooley.

I disagree with everything you said.

Paulsen is better than Cooley doing what Shanahan wants done out there, or he'd be playing. Cooley hasn't done squat for years now, and our sentimental feelings about Chris won't change that.

And I have no idea why you're dragging other teams' TEs into this discussion. I'm very comfortable with your disagreeing with every thing I said. You're entitled to your opinion -- but I still think you're wrong.

Cooley's done. I hope he goes out in a blaze of glory against the Cowboys, but he will not be on an NFL roster in 2013.

And I love Chris Cooley the Redskin.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Paulsen is better than Cooley doing what Shanahan wants done out there, or he'd be playing. Cooley hasn't done squat for years now, and our sentimental feelings about Chris won't change that.

And I have no idea why you're dragging other teams' TEs into this discussion. I'm very comfortable with your disagreeing with every thing I said. You're entitled to your opinion -- but I still think you're wrong.

Cooley's done. I hope he goes out in a blaze of glory against the Cowboys, but he will not be on an NFL roster in 2013.

And I love Chris Cooley the Redskin.

Cooley's been doing a good job at blocking, and I don't see the need to have more youth at a position when your two best players (Davis and Paulsen) are in their mid-twenties. Maybe Paul and Cooley will battle it out for that final roster spot. Other than being a good special teams player, I don't think Paul has done much to wow anyone.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Paulsen is better than Cooley doing what Shanahan wants done out there, or he'd be playing. Cooley hasn't done squat for years now, and our sentimental feelings about Chris won't change that.

And I have no idea why you're dragging other teams' TEs into this discussion. I'm very comfortable with your disagreeing with every thing I said. You're entitled to your opinion -- but I still think you're wrong.

Cooley's done. I hope he goes out in a blaze of glory against the Cowboys, but he will not be on an NFL roster in 2013.

And I love Chris Cooley the Redskin.

Whether Cooley is capable of starting and contributing or not like he has in the past is unknown because he hasn't received that opportunity. Cooley, despite being injured for just about all of the Shanahans coaching tenure until now has still had great seasons in this offense. If Gibbs was still the HC, Cooley would be starting.

Anyway, I brought other teams TEs into the discussion to see just how Paulsen measures up to them. And the fact of the matter is that he just doesn't. If Paulsen develops into a 65-80 catch/1,040 yard/5-7 TDs a year type of TE I will be greatly surprised because he matter-of-factly isn't that type of threat on offense as those other tight ends that I brought up.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Whether Cooley is capable of starting and contributing or not like he has in the past is unknown because he hasn't received that opportunity. Cooley, despite being injured for just about all of the Shanahans coaching tenure until now has still had great seasons in this offense. If Gibbs was still the HC, Cooley would be starting.

Anyway, I brought other teams TEs into the discussion to see just how Paulsen measures up to them. And the fact of the matter is that he just doesn't. If Paulsen develops into a 65-80 catch/1,040 yard/5-7 TDs a year type of TE I will be greatly surprised because he matter-of-factly isn't that type of threat on offense as those other tight ends that I brought up.

Why would he, since he's the #2 TE, and we already have a #1 TE that has the potential to be that good?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why would he, since he's the #2 TE, and we already have a #1 TE that has the potential to be that good?

Ruhskins, my point of emphasis here is that in place of Fred Davis, Cooley should be starting. Not Logan Paulsen.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Ruhskins, my point of emphasis here is that in place of Fred Davis, Cooley should be starting. Not Logan Paulsen.

I honestly don't think Cooley is that much ahead of Paulsen in terms of talent at this point (Cooley in his prime is a different story). Furthermore, given how complex the offense seems to be, I can see why Paulsen is starting and obviously he's been solid. Finally, I think Cooley may be doing a better job at blocking than Paul, so I think they may need him there, rather than catching passes.

I like Cooley a lot and I do hope that he gets involved in the passing game more (and I am not one to easily say that "he's done"). But I don't think he'd be much of an improvement over Paulsen right at this moment. In the end, RG3 spreads the ball so much among receivers, that honestly I don't think it matters who is starting (outside of Garcon) at TE or WR2/WR3.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Paulsen is better than Cooley doing what Shanahan wants done out there, or he'd be playing. Cooley hasn't done squat for years now, and our sentimental feelings about Chris won't change that.

And I have no idea why you're dragging other teams' TEs into this discussion. I'm very comfortable with your disagreeing with every thing I said. You're entitled to your opinion -- but I still think you're wrong.

Cooley's done. I hope he goes out in a blaze of glory against the Cowboys, but he will not be on an NFL roster in 2013.

And I love Chris Cooley the Redskin.

This post is factually dull and pure (unsubstantiated) conjecture. Cooley had his best year in 2010.

Chris Cooley, TE for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com

He's also relatively young considering many TE's play well into their 30's in the NFL.

And again, most importantly, he looks quicker than I ever remember him. If you watch the last few games he's coming off the LOS just as quickly as Garcon (who he lines up near to) or any other WR with the exception of Tana who's our quickest guy. And Cooley's football IQ, the ability to find space/gaps in coverage is always there. It's not like he's sustained a head injury.

It's very obvious Mike and/or Kyle or choosing to keep him out of the passing game. Big kudos to Chris for giving it 100% out there and blocking well.