Should Mike Shanahan Be Canonized?

[44ever]

All this team ever needed was a good QB, thats the big difference this season. Shanny deserves all the credit because he had the balls to finally brake the bank for a great QB (RG3). Not only that but took the insurance and drafted Cousins as well. Great job Shanny!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Wrong. Rookie QB we bet the farm on because he's arguably the most dynamic athlete in pro football and actually been better than anyone expected. We're actually one of the healthier teams right now, and have been remarkably healthy across the oline this season. And finally, the last two years have been atrocious (Zorn-line in wins) because we were rebuilding, right? We're a win now team. Next year we're likely to see defenses catch up to us a bit, most QBs experience some kind of sophomore slump, and again we're not in any position to add significant talent in the next two years UNLESS we bet the farm in the next decade lol.

Unless you think Mike has suddenly become a defensive expert, as in he took the scheming away from Haslett, I don't know how you even put Mike as the most improved coach on the team, let alone the league. Haslett, who seemed overwhelmed the first half of the season, has schemed his way back into respectability. Kyle, who flashed genius early, is putting whole games together now instead of just series and quarters.

Where Mike gets credit is not buckling under the intense pressure of being 3-6 when he's coaching a win now team. It's not a small thing IMO, takes some real brass.

so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. Newton's stats are better this year, Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. Newton's stats are better this year, Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.

Yes, they've stepped up.

Having said that, I still think Haslett needs to go next year. Especially with Better DCs out there or that will be out there, like Ron Rivera and Romeo Crennel.

Don't think the skins would get rid of him? One name for you; Clancy Pendergast. He was the DC for the Cardinals that year they went to the Super Bowl (defense was a lot like ours; Inconsistent most of the year, good for the playoffs, and blew big plays in the super bowl) and they fired him after the super bowl...

[CRedskinsRule]

I am not going to cry if Haslett is gone, but when you think about how this D has taken control in the 2nd half since the Dallas game, and we should get more talent on that side of the ball in the off season, plus our guys back I could be ok if he stays as well.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. Newton's stats are better this year, Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.

When you wrote that I was thinking "there is no way that's true."

And yet it is.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Wrong. Rookie QB we bet the farm on because he's arguably the most dynamic athlete in pro football and actually been better than anyone expected. We're actually one of the healthier teams right now, and have been remarkably healthy across the oline this season. And finally, the last two years have been atrocious (Zorn-line in wins) because we were rebuilding, right? We're a win now team. Next year we're likely to see defenses catch up to us a bit, most QBs experience some kind of sophomore slump, and again we're not in any position to add significant talent in the next two years UNLESS we bet the farm in the next decade lol.

Unless you think Mike has suddenly become a defensive expert, as in he took the scheming away from Haslett, I don't know how you even put Mike as the most improved coach on the team, let alone the league. Haslett, who seemed overwhelmed the first half of the season, has schemed his way back into respectability. Kyle, who flashed genius early, is putting whole games together now instead of just series and quarters.

Where Mike gets credit is not buckling under the intense pressure of being 3-6 when he's coaching a win now team. It's not a small thing IMO, takes some real brass.

What's this "win now team" thing? Tough to call a team with a rookie QB, a rookie RB, and a rookie backup QB a "win now team."

Unless, of course Shanahan created the "win now team" sometime during this season. Which surely would be more credit than you've been willing to give the coaches todate. Can't have it both ways...

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am not going to cry if Haslett is gone, but when you think about how this D has taken control in the 2nd half since the Dallas game, and we should get more talent on that side of the ball in the off season, plus our guys back I could be ok if he stays as well.

Oh no doubt, he could stay, but when you look back to how we were with both Orakpo and Carriker, and other games this season where we haven't been good at all on defense (Pittsburgh and St. Louis comes to mind) makes you remember how bad we were and other possibilities. What if Haslett had adjusted to Amendola earlier? Possibilities like that come to mind. Would we be a game better in the playoff race?

For 3 years all I've been hearing consistently about Haslett is that he is horrible at adjusting...has he been adjusting better recently or is it just that the defense knows that if they make a stop, they can put their explosive offense on the field..

This question won't be answered until the seasons over.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When you wrote that I was thinking "there is no way that's true."

And yet it is.

I know, I was surprised when I looked at it, because for a while he seemed like the poster boy for sophomore slumps, but I think it was mainly his attitude during his losses.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

What's this "win now team" thing? Tough to call a team with a rookie QB, a rookie RB, and a rookie backup QB a "win now team."

Unless, of course Shanahan created the "win now team" sometime during this season. Which surely would be more credit than you've been willing to give the coaches todate. Can't have it both ways...

Kinda agree with you. Giving all those draft picks was kinda "win now", but Shanny's presided over a youth movement. He's had his moments (McNabb) but "Win Now" hasn't been Shanny's way with the Skins overall.

If we had signed Peyton Manning instead of drafting RG3, that would have been a "win now" move IMO. Even with all those draft picks we would have kept. Someone might correct me on this, but our cap situation would have been even worse with Manning, right?

edit: Wow CRedskinsRule, great observation. Looked at his stats and compared to Aaron Rodgers. If Cam improves over the course of his career as Aaron did, the sky's the limit! Same for Griffin.

[GTripp0012]

The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.

[GTripp0012]

Griffin and Rodgers are shockingly similar from a numbers (and a skill set) perspective.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.

Is this real?...you think too hard sometimes Tripp

[GTripp0012]

Those numbers are accurate, yes.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The average age of the Redskins roster is still on the older side. The idea of the youth movement is real, but a lot of those players are at the end of their rookie contracts now and will be expensive to retain (or already are expensive, such as Garcon or Morgan).

Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth. Five years from now, Aaron Rodgers will be 34, Peyton Manning will be 41, and Drew Brees will be 38. Griffin will be 27.

There is more than just Griffin to the youth movement...
Morris is 24
Orakpo 26
Kerrigan 24
T. Williams 24
Garçon 26

There are other plays like fred davis, riley and jenkins but to say that Griffin is the youth movement in my opinion is not accurate.

[JoeRedskin]

Morris
Forbath
Kerrigan
Riley
Jenkins
Robinson
Davis
Garcon

You're working too hard Gtripp and moving into the realm of the obtuse.