Lost Some Faith In Shanahan

[SmootSmack]

Great, a thread started by Milellie with a response from The Goat. This is my hell

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great, a thread started by Milellie with a response from The Goat. This is my hell

...and an article from Sally Jenkins. Sounds like the hell trifecta.

PS - Guess which side she takes...

Redskins invested in Robert Griffin III, then everyone put his future in jeopardy - The Washington Post

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

...and an article from Sally Jenkins. Sounds like the hell trifecta.

PS - Guess which side she takes...

Redskins invested in Robert Griffin III, then everyone put his future in jeopardy - The Washington Post

Oh you know she not gonna pass this opportunity bye

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great, a thread started by Milellie with a response from The Goat. This is my hell

You've got the power!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great, a thread started by Milellie with a response from The Goat. This is my hell

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

You want to get into he said, she said? I don't talk specifically to the guys in Denver (maybe Schlereth is the exception) and I've never spoken to anyone in Denver.

I thought Mike Shanahan was an ass (my distant impression of him, not based on any personal interaction) and figured we'd have the anti-Gibbs in terms of personality, caring for his staff, etc.

From what I've heard it's quite the opposite actually. He's no Gibbs (who is) but let's not kid ourselves, you have your idea of who he is and unless I personally introduce you to him and have you sit down and spend time with him, you're not going to change your mind

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You want to get into he said, she said? I don't talk specifically to the guys in Denver (maybe Schlereth is the exception) and I've never spoken to anyone in Denver.

I thought Mike Shanahan was an ass (my distant impression of him, not based on any personal interaction) and figured we'd have the anti-Gibbs in terms of personality, caring for his staff, etc.

From what I've heard it's quite the opposite actually. He's no Gibbs (who is) but let's not kid ourselves, you have your idea of who he is and unless I personally introduce you to him and have you sit down and spend time with him, you're not going to change your mind

To be fair I've heard Elway is an arrogant SOB too, though it sounds like EVERYBODY there is bought in to his leadership lock stock and barrel. Looking at the current landscape, he's very likely to get another SB ring too.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

To be fair I've heard Elway is an arrogant SOB too, though it sounds like EVERYBODY there is bought in to his leadership lock stock and barrel. Looking at the current landscape, he's very likely to get another SB ring too.

I doubt there is a bad word ever uttered about Elway there. Probably a city ordanance against it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

To be fair I've heard Elway is an arrogant SOB too, though it sounds like EVERYBODY there is bought in to his leadership lock stock and barrel. Looking at the current landscape, he's very likely to get another SB ring too.

Yeah I was just gonna say I've heard some no so great things about Elway. Plus I bumped into him at the HOF in 2008 and he blew off everyone who was asking him for an autograph and kinda came off like a jerk.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I was just gonna say I've heard some no so great things about Elway. Plus I bumped into him at the HOF in 2008 and he blew off everyone who was asking him for an autograph and kinda came off like a jerk.

Tough to really draw any conclusions. But I mean neither Reeves nor Shanahan would probably give ringing endorsements privately of Elway the person. And probably the same vice-versa.

Plummer can't stand Shanahan. At all. I've been on the other end of the phone when Plummer has laid into thin

On the other hand, Steve Young loves Shanahan. So does Brian Griese

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Tough to really draw any conclusions. But I mean neither Reeves nor Shanahan would probably give ringing endorsements privately of Elway the person. And probably the same vice-versa.

Plummer can't stand Shanahan. At all. I've been on the other end of the phone when Plummer has laid into thin

On the other hand, Steve Young loves Shanahan. So does Brian Griese

Bottom line is unless you know the person, you just don't know the person.

And we all have people we don't mesh with for whatever reason.

All of this is a little silly really.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Tough to really draw any conclusions. But I mean neither Reeves nor Shanahan would probably give ringing endorsements privately of Elway the person. And probably the same vice-versa.

Plummer can't stand Shanahan. At all. I've been on the other end of the phone when Plummer has laid into thin

On the other hand, Steve Young loves Shanahan. So does Brian Griese

Totally irrelevant, mormons are nice to everyone. And who's Griese?

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

Why listen or worry about what Elway said? SmootSmack told me my opinion of Shanhan was "stupid" of me to think that he doesn't care about his players health. Obviously SmootSmack knows Shanahan better than Elway does.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by milellie111

Why listen or worry about what Elway said? SmootSmack told me my opinion of Shanhan was "stupid" of me to think that he doesn't care about his players health. Obviously SmootSmack knows Shanahan better than Elway does.

First, i give anything Smoot says credibility over anything Goat hears his relative say he heard insiders say that Elways privately says.

Do you even understand the sentence i wrote? Its confusing, because there are so many people involved i nthe chain of communication. Your taking unsubstantied 5th hand information as fact. Beyond that, youre correlating Elway's not being fond of Shanahan as a person with his not caring about his players. Thats like saying, if you dont like a guy for personal reason, that means he doesnt care about his family. Youre twisting Goats comments to support your own twisted view of Shanahan. Goat has enough crazy opinions of his own, he doesnt need your help.

Lets say, for a moment, that nothing got lost in translation in the string of people between Elway and Goat. Lets say Elway really doesnt like Shanahan. For everyone that's worked with/played for Shanahan that doesnt like him, i garantee youll find 10 more that do. Either there is a vast conspiracy between formal coaches, players, and members of the media to lie and say great things about Shanahan, or Shanahan is just like every other human being.... some people like you, some people dont. You can't please everyone.

Finally, if you go all the way back to last offseason, and you go through every media report, Snyder, Allen, Mike, and Kyle were all IN LOVE with RGIII. They loved everything about him - both as a player and as a person. But all of a sudden you think Shanahan doesnt care about Griffin? You are right to question Shanahan's decision - everyone is. I personally think the Skins horribly mismanaged his injury. But to question Shanahan's motivations - to say he doesnt care about his players - its not true. And its out of line.

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

First, i give anything Smoot says credibility over anything Goat hears his relative say he heard insiders say that Elways privately says.

Do you even understand the sentence i wrote? Its confusing, because there are so many people involved i nthe chain of communication. Your taking unsubstantied 5th hand information as fact. Beyond that, youre correlating Elway's not being fond of Shanahan as a person with his not caring about his players. Thats like saying, if you dont like a guy for personal reason, that means he doesnt care about his family. Youre twisting Goats comments to support your own twisted view of Shanahan. Goat has enough crazy opinions of his own, he doesnt need your help.

Lets say, for a moment, that nothing got lost in translation in the string of people between Elway and Goat. Lets say Elway really doesnt like Shanahan. For everyone that's worked with/played for Shanahan that doesnt like him, i garantee youll find 10 more that do. Either there is a vast conspiracy between formal coaches, players, and members of the media to lie and say great things about Shanahan, or Shanahan is just like every other human being.... some people like you, some people dont. You can't please everyone.

Finally, if you go all the way back to last offseason, and you go through every media report, Snyder, Allen, Mike, and Kyle were all IN LOVE with RGIII. They loved everything about him - both as a player and as a person. But all of a sudden you think Shanahan doesnt care about Griffin? You are right to question Shanahan's decision - everyone is. I personally think the Skins horribly mismanaged his injury. But to question Shanahan's motivations - to say he doesnt care about his players - its not true. And its out of line.

I never said that Shanahan had it out for RG3 when he was drafted or anything like that. I never even said Shanahan didn't like RG3 as a person or deep down inside is a malicious guy.
In this Sundays game though, i feel that Shanahan put winning and his ego in front of RG3's health. That's what i was saying.