Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[12thMan]

BHA, you don't find the name offensive or one that merits a debate even?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

BHA, you don't find the name offensive or one that merits a debate even?

This "debate" has been what, 20+ years in the making? Gotta think if it had real merit something would have changed by now.

Goodell was asked about it at the SB and he basically shrugged it off as no big deal. Doesn't seem to be an issue on his radar.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

This "debate" has been what, 20+ years in the making? Gotta think if it had real merit something would have changed by now.

Goodell was asked about it at the SB and he basically shrugged it off as no big deal. Doesn't seem to be an issue on his radar.

I suspect Goodell shrugged it off because it was something he didnt want to deal with during SB week but I am sure its on his radar.

I dont have a problem with the name Redskins and I dont care if they change it or not, but I do think that the fact the debate has been going on so long means it does still have some merit. Just because something is debated over many years without a resolution doesnt mean something wont change in the future and anyone who thinks the name isnt going to change at some point is fooling themselves. The name will be changed in the next 5 years.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by irish

I suspect Goodell shrugged it off because it was something he didnt want to deal with during SB week but I am sure its on his radar.

I dont have a problem with the name Redskins and I dont care if they change it or not, but I do think that the fact the debate has been going on so long means it does still have some merit. Just because something is debated over many years without a resolution doesnt mean something wont change in the future and anyone who thinks the name isnt going to change at some point is fooling themselves. The name will be changed in the next 5 years.

I tend to agree with this. I mean, would a change to something like Warriors really be that big of a deal? Hell, you wouldn't have to change much of Hail to the Redskins to get to Hail to the Warrirors. That might be the only changed required.

I, personally, voted for 'yes.' Half because I'm sick of hearing about the name and half because the name is considered offensive. At this stage, I'm somewhat resigned to the fact that it's going to change and I'm pretty much fine with that.

Does this change anyone's opinion?

George Preston Marshall: The guy that gave the Redskins their nickname was the same owner who was last to integrate African Americans into his team. That's downright embarrassing and will always be a black eye on our organization. It's hard for me to defend a nickname when the original Redskins owner has a history of racism. From a NY Times 2011 article, "As his second head coach, Marshall hired William "Lone Star" Dietz, a journeyman coach at the collegiate level whose mother was most likely a Sioux. It was in "honor" of Dietz, who coached the team for just two seasons and who at Marshall's urging willingly put on war paint and Indian feathers before home games, that Marshall changed the team's name to the Redskins. " Anything that distances our franchise from the beliefs of this guy I'm OK with.

Hogs Haven

It didn't change mine, but I never had a strong opinion one one way or another. I personally, won't be changing my allegiance if they do change their name. I root for the team/organization/players, the name doesn't make much of a difference. Now, of course, there are plenty of names I wouldn't like, but I also don't feel the need to get my panties in a wad just because this is being discussed.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the name, but the fact that a. some people do and b. Webster's defines it as:

noun Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive.
a North American Indian.

I can see why some people are calling for a name change.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I tend to agree with this. I mean, would a change to something like Warriors really be that big of a deal? Hell, you wouldn't have to change much of Hail to the Redskins to get to Hail to the Warrirors. That might be the only changed required.

I, personally, voted for 'yes.' Half because I'm sick of hearing about the name and half because the name is considered offensive. At this stage, I'm somewhat resigned to the fact that it's going to change and I'm pretty much fine with that.

Does this change anyone's opinion?


Hogs Haven

It didn't change mine, but I never had a strong opinion one one way or another. I personally, won't be changing my allegiance if they do change their name. I root for the team/organization/players, the name doesn't make much of a difference. Now, of course, there are plenty of names I wouldn't like, but I also don't feel the need to get my panties in a wad just because this is being discussed.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the name, but the fact that a. some people do and b. Webster's defines it as:


I can see why some people are calling for a name change.

None of the definitions that say its offernsive explain why its offensive. Hell it seems they don't even know how to define the word. Its a hand full of people at best. Yesterday they were lucky to have 100 people in that room and 20% of them were speakers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I suspect Goodell shrugged it off because it was something he didnt want to deal with during SB week but I am sure its on his radar.

I dont have a problem with the name Redskins and I dont care if they change it or not, but I do think that the fact the debate has been going on so long means it does still have some merit. Just because something is debated over many years without a resolution doesnt mean something wont change in the future and anyone who thinks the name isnt going to change at some point is fooling themselves. The name will be changed in the next 5 years.

$100 says it won't

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

$100 says it won't

I thought you gave up betting.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I thought you gave up betting.

Hard to pass up a deal like that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

BHA, you don't find the name offensive or one that merits a debate even?

No, and No.

The issue has been debated for decades. There's nothing new to discuss. There are no new arguments to be made. We're in a part of the off-season where there is almost nothing of note to discuss, and i'm still not interested in having an actual discusion about the issue.

Edit - I see a poll was added to the discussion. I will not vote on issue because i dont think it merits a vote.