The line is quite offensive right now

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sorry was out, yes agree more than 1 year to rebuild. Oline should be the first to receive attention in the rebuilding process. To your question of how to get a QB: Im not in favor of drafting one this coming up year, but I feel to effectively start a rebuilding process will be with to rid our offense of players who has leveled out, peaked, stagnated etc...whatever you want to call it over last several years starting with the guy who has the ball in his hands the most, JC. There will be vets availible and I prefer somebody else at this point. Some guys just need a change of scenery...JC may be that way as well...so while we both understand this offense may take a couple years, getting a vet or guy who hasnt succeeded (D. Anderson, Brady Quinn, etc.) to get under center I wouldnt see as taking a substantial risk (unless we give a stupid ass contract). I just cant deal with JC anymore, im officially done with him. But before we can get there we need a new GM and an established NFL coach.

This is where we disagree, but I can understand where you're coming from. I don't think the Skins should draft a QB high or trade picks for one. If there's a guy out there, go get him. However, if he's not proven, I would force him to compete with Colt and JC (who isn't a free agent under the new system).

I have no problem with replacing Jason with the future of the team or just a holdover to get us through rebuilding, but I'm not really in favor of change for the sake of change. I think that if you believe you can upgrade the QB position in the offseason without sacrificing anything, you have to do it, but I don't think you can go get Vince Young or a Jamarcus Russell type and think that everything is solved. If those are the options (they may be) then keeping JC and having him compete with Campbell might be the best option.

[Chico23231]

^please no Vince or Jamarcus, def someone else. Agree to disagree, but fully supporting the Rebuilding Effort as well. HTTR

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by jdlea

This is where we disagree, but I can understand where you're coming from. I don't think the Skins should draft a QB high or trade picks for one. If there's a guy out there, go get him. However, if he's not proven, I would force him to compete with Colt and JC (who isn't a free agent under the new system).

I have no problem with replacing Jason with the future of the team or just a holdover to get us through rebuilding, but I'm not really in favor of change for the sake of change. I think that if you believe you can upgrade the QB position in the offseason without sacrificing anything, you have to do it, but I don't think you can go get Vince Young or a Jamarcus Russell type and think that everything is solved. If those are the options (they may be) then keeping JC and having him compete with Campbell might be the best option.

We could draft o-line in the 1st and 2nd rounds and then go QB in the 4th round. What do you think?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Lotus

We could draft o-line in the 1st and 2nd rounds and then go QB in the 4th round. What do you think?

That sounds like the plan. Another scenario would be to trade down and also get a 3rd or 4th rounder.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

That sounds like the plan. Another scenario would be to trade down and also get a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Good idea!

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Ok let me tell you this, if and when a team drafts a QB as a top 10 pick if he is a bust your franchise is set back for 3 to 4 years. Teams that spend high picks on QB tend to give them every chance to be the starter no matter how poor he plays IE.... JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Brady Quinn, and David Carr. I say we draft a QB late in the 4th or 5th and try to sign Jackson(Vikings,Carr/Giants) or resign JC or 1 yr with a upgraded line.

This is absolutely correct and why I am not even going to pay attention to the quarterbacks that are coming out.

I disagree with those who say we are 2 or 3 years from being competitive and that we need to blow it up. Atlanta and Miami turned into playoff teams after terrible seasons. We need to blow our O-line up, that is it. And I believe the line can be turned around in one offseason if we draft well.

The D-line was turned into a strength in one year, there is no reason that they cannot do the same on the other side.

Btw...I will be so happy when Randal-Fail and Heyer are gone.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

This is absolutely correct and why I am not even going to pay attention to the quarterbacks that are coming out.

I disagree with those who say we are 2 or 3 years from being competitive and that we need to blow it up. Atlanta and Miami turned into playoff teams after terrible seasons. We need to blow our O-line up, that is it. And I believe the line can be turned around in one offseason if we draft well.

The D-line was turned into a strength in one year, there is no reason that they cannot do the same on the other side.

Btw...I will be so happy when Randal-Fail and Heyer are gone.

Amen brother!! Well said.

[abbster]

I agree with you, JC is running for his life!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

This is absolutely correct and why I am not even going to pay attention to the quarterbacks that are coming out.

I disagree with those who say we are 2 or 3 years from being competitive and that we need to blow it up. Atlanta and Miami turned into playoff teams after terrible seasons. We need to blow our O-line up, that is it. And I believe the line can be turned around in one offseason if we draft well.

The D-line was turned into a strength in one year, there is no reason that they cannot do the same on the other side.

Btw...I will be so happy when Randal-Fail and Heyer are gone.

Strong points all around...although I think it will take very solid talent evaluation (leading up to the draft) to turn the oline around in one year. We likely will have the 6th or 7th overall pick, so the top LT or even top two LTs will be gone. I really hope next year is deep w/ LT talent. Interior lineman is perfect spot for our high 2nd round pick, but there again it must be a wise selection to get a solid C/G starter.

[SFREDSKIN]

A combination of players drafted (I would draft OL w/ the first 2 picks) sign some FA linemen and use our young guys and voila the line is better overnite. I would also go for Toby Gerhart RB (The next Riggins) from Stanford.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

This is absolutely correct and why I am not even going to pay attention to the quarterbacks that are coming out.

I disagree with those who say we are 2 or 3 years from being competitive and that we need to blow it up. Atlanta and Miami turned into playoff teams after terrible seasons. We need to blow our O-line up, that is it. And I believe the line can be turned around in one offseason if we draft well.

The D-line was turned into a strength in one year, there is no reason that they cannot do the same on the other side.

Btw...I will be so happy when Randal-Fail and Heyer are gone.

Both of those teams got quality QB's before the year started. Atlanta miraculously hit on a franchise guy with the 3rd pick and Miami lucked out when Pennington got cut to make room for Farve. Also if memory serves me correctly Atlanta gave up 47 sacks in 2007. As of week 5 they've only given up 19 sacks since the opener in 2008. This was with virtually the same line. Though they did invest draft picks (1st for Sam Baker and a 2nd for Justin Blalock).

I mean I'm all for rebuilding the line and maybe we already have the QB we need in JC but it should be noted that both teams found top notch QB's going into the season while retooling their lines. Also just a note, Sam Baker only played half the games due to injury and was the only new addition to the starting 5 for Atlanta though they should get credit for using a high draft pick on a lineman.

[GridIron26]

Several good posts.. Especially the part about drafting T and C/G; free agency is there for a reason, we can sign a legitimate #1 qb.. I don't know which qb will be free agent but we just have to try and go after for the best one available right away.. Just a two years or so contract, just until he proves that he's good enough or whatever then we extend the contract.. I wouldn't mind signing a FA o-line men too, especially for depth.. Although I would like to keep Heyer as backup..

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Lotus

We could draft o-line in the 1st and 2nd rounds and then go QB in the 4th round. What do you think?

This is actually what I would recommend, but would you install the 4th rounder immediately or do you have him sit a year? That's the big question. If you have him sit, one of Colt, Campbell, Collins, or a FA acquisition has to start next season.

[DBUCHANON101]

Draft a OT, we should get a good one considering it looks like we will be in the top 5 on draft day. Draft a Center in the 2nd and then take the best QB/RB in the 4th unless we can trade up/down and acquire picks in the 3rd then do so there.
JC and CP have been hard to watch this season, yeah you can blame the oline but even when they had chances to make plays they didnt. JC misses Moss who is wide open for a walk in td and CP breaks a run and cant score a td with a lead blocker on one defender --id say most starting QB/RB in this league get the 6 in the similiar situations--

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by jdlea

This is actually what I would recommend, but would you install the 4th rounder immediately or do you have him sit a year? That's the big question. If you have him sit, one of Colt, Campbell, Collins, or a FA acquisition has to start next season.

I suppose it depends on how well he can grasp the offense in training camp. But, theoretically, we would need to keep someone else around to mind the store while the young guy matured.