Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Why again is this guy not a 1st round talent?

Does it really matter what the answer is? You won't accept it anyway.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why is that a good thing when the actual McNabb was a failure in this offense?

McNabb was a borderline HOF caliber QB and to pretend otherwise is pure revisionism.

I think Locker is a quicker athlete then McNabb more of a fast twitch, light footed and nimble.

[GusFrerotte]

I have never seen a player more highly touted that didn't show much in his actual gameplay as Jake Locker. Even in his bowl win against the Cornhuskers he did it with his feet, while his passing game was non existent. When was the last time a QB not known for his arm won a SB? Locker seems to have a good head on his shoulders, but his passing game sucks. He isn't as athletic as Vick, and Vick couldn't get the job done even in Philly. The guy throws a ton of INTs also. To be honest, I would draft Dan Persa out of Northwestern before Locker. If Persa didn't get hurt against Purdue he had a great shot to be Big Ten MVP. That guy is almost like Vick and his passes were way more crisper than anything I have seen Locker do. Not saying we should go for Persa in 2012, but he was a better QB than Locker in 2011. Way better in fact.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I have never seen a player more highly touted that didn't show much in his actual gameplay as Jake Locker. Even in his bowl win against the Cornhuskers he did it with his feet, while his passing game was non existent. When was the last time a QB not known for his arm won a SB? Locker seems to have a good head on his shoulders, but his passing game sucks.

I can tell you right now that if you look at Locker's production to figure out what type of QB he is you'll never understand it.

People like you that think evaluating a QB prospect is the same thing as looking at stats/production will never undestand why Locker is a top QB prospect.

Production is a function of the team's scheme, talent, pass protection etc.

QB are judged not on their teams merits i.e. stats/production but by their own merits: accuracy, arm strength, athleticism/escapability, experience, drop-back/footwork, throwing mechanics, toughness, size, etc moreso then stats.

LoL, the Nebraska WIN?
You know the top prospect Gabbert lost against Nebraska?

If you watched the game you would know that the cornhuskers defense great the Washington OL and WRs were completely outmatched.

Yet, Locker used his legs and made a some clutch throws to win the game.
But, in stat land, yeah what a terrible WIN.

BTW-Here's a stat for you: Matt Stafford (56.6%) was considered by everyone to be a cleaner prospect then Locker but guess what? Locker comp% in Sarkisians offense is 56.8%.

Originally Posted by Pat Kirwan:

A Pac-10 defensive coordinator who faced Washington this season and asked about Locker and the Huskies' offense. His first reaction: "Locker had no one in front of him, yet he threw for a ton of yards and killed us with his feet."

Upon further review, Locker should be late first-round pick

NFL.com news: Upon further review, Locker should be late first-round pick

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I can tell you right now that if you look at Locker's production to figure out what type of QB he is you'll never understand it.

People like you that think evaluating a QB prospect is the same thing as looking at stats/production will never undestand why Locker is a top QB prospect.

Production is a function of the team's scheme, talent, pass protection etc.

QB are judged not on their teams merits i.e. stats/production but by their own merits: accuracy, arm strength, athleticism/escapability, experience, drop-back/footwork, throwing mechanics, toughness, size, etc moreso then stats.

LoL, the Nebraska WIN?
You know the top prospect Gabbert lost against Nebraska?

If you watched the game you would know that the cornhuskers defense great the Washington OL and WRs were completely outmatched.

Yet, Locker used his legs and made a some clutch throws to win the game.
But, in stat land, yeah what a terrible WIN.

BTW-Here's a stat for you: Matt Stafford (56.6%) was considered by everyone to be a cleaner prospect then Locker but guess what? Locker comp% in Sarkisians offense is 56.8%.




Upon further review, Locker should be late first-round pick

NFL.com news: Upon further review, Locker should be late first-round pick

Mmmm, fresh Kool Aid. The Locker movement is now regaining momentum. Also don't forget his 70% completion percentage outside the pocket. I swear I am going to get on board with this guy and become the biggest Locker fan out there. I might not be there yet but I'm getting on the highway.

Anyway, at least with Shanahan at least he has a chance of developing into a top flight QB. If he goes to Seattle or Minnesota he'll most likely bust. If Locker is going to succeed at the NFL level he's going to need an offensive guru. Luckily in spite of last years performance we have two on staff.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Mmmm, fresh Kool Aid. The Locker movement is now regaining momentum. Also don't forget his 70% completion percentage outside the pocket. I swear I am going to get on board with this guy and become the biggest Locker fan out there. I might not be there yet but I'm getting on the highway.

Anyway, at least with Shanahan at least he has a chance of developing into a top flight QB. If he goes to Seattle or Minnesota he'll most likely bust. If Locker is going to succeed at the NFL level he's going to need an offensive guru. Luckily in spite of last years performance we have two on staff.

Yeah be a Locker geek. Kaepernick is only that good in or outside the pocket and has better scrambling ability to stretch the play. But Kaepernick isn't better. Oh wait, he is.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Yeah be a Locker geek. Kaepernick is only that good in or outside the pocket and has better scrambling ability to stretch the play. But Kaepernick isn't better. Oh wait, he is.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Mmmm, fresh Kool Aid. The Locker movement is now regaining momentum. Also don't forget his 70% completion percentage outside the pocket. I swear I am going to get on board with this guy and become the biggest Locker fan out there. I might not be there yet but I'm getting on the highway.

Anyway, at least with Shanahan at least he has a chance of developing into a top flight QB. If he goes to Seattle or Minnesota he'll most likely bust. If Locker is going to succeed at the NFL level he's going to need an offensive guru. Luckily in spite of last years performance we have two on staff.

Locker is my favorite prospect in this QB draft class but he's not the only prospect I like nor does it mean I think the other prospects aren't good either.

I like Locker because of the combination of arm and playmaking which are the 2 traits I value most in a QB prospect; also I like that he's played under more duress/ adverse circumstances then the other prospects. (The NFL isn't pitch and catch)

Without getting to boring with details I'll put it like this: there are 4 QBs with NFL size and elite arms and 2 of those QBs are also elite playmakers. (Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Mallett)

There is another group that lacks elite arms but have good NFL traits and are arguably more polished QBs then all but one of the top tier. (Ponder, Dalton, Stanzi)

Then there are 2 outliers that fall somewhere between.
Kaep has elite arm but a major throwing hitch and for me personally I like a QB that has clean throwing motion then there's Tyrod who is a more polished QB but has average physical traits but elite playmaking.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Oppositely the same as I find yours.

[Longtimefan]

The Quarterback no one bothers to talk about has a dream of being "the man" ....soon he'll awake.

Beck wants to be ‘the guy’ - The Insider - The Washington Post

[Monkeydad]

Hey, Beck is determined and is putting the work in. Lets see if he's improved over his Dolphins days.

I think his ceiling is "good backup" but he's working hard...prove you can do it, John.

I also love how he was excited to come here and took his wife out to Chik-Fil-A to celebrate. (serious...love their chicken)

[Longtimefan]

[Q] I also love how he was excited to come here and took his wife out to Chik-Fil-A to celebrate. (serious...love their chicken) [U]

Wish they were open on Sunday.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Hey, Beck is determined and is putting the work in. Lets see if he's improved over his Dolphins days.

I think his ceiling is "good backup" but he's working hard...prove you can do it, John.

I also love how he was excited to come here and took his wife out to Chik-Fil-A to celebrate. (serious...love their chicken)

The odds are against John Beck becoming a solid starting quarterback | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

[30gut]

Am I the only person who is exceedingly bothered by anecdotal trivia passed off as facts?

To me that article is just as spurious as worrying about Andy Dalton success because he's there hasn't been many successful red head QBs.

Its silly.

Beck will succeed or fail because of his ability and opportunity.

[skinsfaninok]

It's not a guarantee that beck will even be in the mix