Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Dolphins)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He had to have one QB on the roster that had prior experience on the system. I think his biggest mistake so far was the McNabb trade, but it is what it is.

So that would be Rex...so it goes back to Beck. the biggest mistake is still Beck...with apologies to Slingin Sammy

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So that would be Rex...so it goes back to Beck. the biggest mistake is still Beck...with apologies to Slingin Sammy

Considering he got Beck for free, wasn't really a big gamble. Now if he doesn't draft a QB this year......pitchforks and torches!!

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So that would be Rex...so it goes back to Beck. the biggest mistake is still Beck...with apologies to Slingin Sammy

how can beck be the biggest mistake? i would say biggest dissapointment or let down, since i think everyone on this board was hoping he would be who shanny sold us on, but we really gave up nothing for him if i remember correctly. i think dmac was way worse because of what we gave up to have him for 12.5 games. either way shanny's track record has taken some serious hits since becoming a redskin

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So that would be Rex...so it goes back to Beck. the biggest mistake is still Beck...with apologies to Slingin Sammy

It's tough to scout a player's brain; it's easy to scout their physical tools. Shanahan certainly liked Beck's physical skillset. But when Shanahan was evaluating his mental game, maybe Beck's tape at BYU didn't have him doing all of these panic checkdowns and double clutching. Shanahan might have thought all Beck needed was just needed time to settle into the scheme.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The major mistake that Shanny & Allen made was the McNabb trade. I can't help but think that move was made in part to show the owner that they were trying to win asap (not saying Snyder was "meddling" by any means).

Aside from that move, I give high marks to the personel moves of this regime. We can all point out the many names that came to camp, e.g. W. Parker, L. Johnson, D. Stallworth, but before you criticize those moves, realize they were low cost, low risk. I wanted a QB in last year's draft, but this year's class is looking good & I respect that Shanny didn't like any of the prospects from last draft.

That 3-1 start at the least showed that the team could win when healthy, albeit v. lesser teams for the most part. It raised expectations, but injuries reveal depth or lack thereof. This team is so far away from having quality depth. I don't think you can criticize them too much for that. It will take time, but we've already seen a commitment to the draft, something lacking for years here.

Agreed. The McNabb trade was a mistake. It's hindsight though. At the time, alot of "experts" thought it was a good trade.

I don't understand all of the criticizing though. It's been a year and a half. I think we had a good draft but unfortunately we've had some big injuries and our depth sucks. That's not MS's fault. He only has so many draft picks.

The Skins were a crappy run franchise for 10+ years that never focused on the future. It's caught up to us. Time to build this right and have some patience.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The major mistake that Shanny & Allen made was the McNabb trade. I can't help but think that move was made in part to show the owner that they were trying to win asap (not saying Snyder was "meddling" by any means).

Aside from that move, I give high marks to the personel moves of this regime. We can all point out the many names that came to camp, e.g. W. Parker, L. Johnson, D. Stallworth, but before you criticize those moves, realize they were low cost, low risk. I wanted a QB in last year's draft, but this year's class is looking good & I respect that Shanny didn't like any of the prospects from last draft.

That 3-1 start at the least showed that the team could win when healthy, albeit v. lesser teams for the most part. It raised expectations, but injuries reveal depth or lack thereof. This team is so far away from having quality depth. I don't think you can criticize them too much for that. It will take time, but we've already seen a commitment to the draft, something lacking for years here.

I think Shanahan has a big enough ego that he doesn't suck up to anybody. But the same big ego deluded him into thinking he's some miracle worker. I believe he sincerely thought he could make things happen with Haynesworth and Mcnabb. It was just a gross miscalculation on his part. No more, no less. I think coaches in general just want to win as much as possible as soon as possible, and Shanahan is no different. That's why he went for McNabb.

[NC_Skins]

What would you call GTripp with a billion dollars?





A Dan Snyder clone.

[freddyg12]

REx still thinks he can muscle throws into the middle of the field. His worst INTs are always to LBs or safeties sitting in a crowded zone.

[hooskins]

Matty,

I don't think he blows. He was moving the ball up and down the field. He made some really good throws under pressure. There was one out route in particular where he delivered a perfect timing pass before the WR broke and he took a huge hit afterwards.

I think the inconsistency is the killer with him. But we have known that from day 1. down 9-13 on their 10 yard line you just can't throw that INT. It hurt a lot too, because we were just developing some momentum.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Matty,

I don't think he blows. He was moving the ball up and down the field. He made some really good throws under pressure. There was one out route in particular where he delivered a perfect timing pass before the WR broke and he took a huge hit afterwards.

I think the inconsistency is the killer with him. But we have known that from day 1. down 9-13 on their 10 yard line you just can't throw that INT. It hurt a lot too, because we were just developing some momentum.

Moving the ball up and down the field is useless if you can't score.

He blows, he's thrown almost twice as many INTs as TDs this year, along with losing 2 fumbles. Add in his medicore career numbers and I don't know what else you want to call it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Moving the ball up and down the field is useless if you can't score.

He blows, he's thrown almost twice as many INTs as TDs this year, along with losing 2 fumbles.

Exactly. You don't win games based off the amount of yardage you accumulate. Driving down to the goal line only to give them the ball doesn't do squat for the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Exactly. You don't win games based off the amount of yardage you accumulate. Driving down to the goal line only to give them the ball doesn't do squat for the team.

Yup, and I'm tired of the excuses for both Grossman and Beck. Let's just call it like it is, both guys stink. I'm not about to hop on the fire Shanahan wagon yet, but it's a concern that for 2 years now his QB choices have been complete head scratchers.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yup, and I'm tired of the excuses for both Grossman and Beck. Let's just call it like it is, both guys stink. I'm not about to hop on the fire Shanahan wagon yet, but it's a concern that for 2 years now his QB choices have been complete head scratchers.

Here, Here they stink.

but my concern is still I don't think anyone else would have a major difference in game play. Right now they wouldn't because of the OL injuries, then there is all the WR shuffling/injuries, RB injuries, so on and so forth.... don't get me wrong there would be better play but how much is the question.

See some fans stop with questioning the QB, some simply question the coaching staff, some question the injuries, but what I'm saying is I thinks it's all the above. Clearly we need more of an accurate QB that makes better decisions, we need our injured players to be playing again and some decent back ups, and how much of it could be the design of the plays? I think it's easy to sit back and design a play and say "with these routes the defense will give us this" or "with this line up the defense should give us that", but what if whats expected to happen is not happening on the field? No different then a play being sent in to optimize the man-to-man coverage and all of a sudden the defense switches to zone coverage. At that point I think we all can agree that it's on the QB to change the play but how much leeway is KS giving the QB to change the play?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yup, and I'm tired of the excuses for both Grossman and Beck. Let's just call it like it is, both guys stink. I'm not about to hop on the fire Shanahan wagon yet, but it's a concern that for 2 years now his QB choices have been complete head scratchers.

But what "choices" were there? Do you break the bank for Carson Palmer? Make another McNabb-like move for aging veteran Matt Hasselbeck? Bring in a journeyman like Matt Moore?

And whoever you do bring in, put him behind a sub-par offensive line, take away his top wide receiver, take away his team reception leading tight end, and give him absolutely no running game whatsoever -- would the results be any different?

[Chico23231]

Will there be this much hate for Shanny and Co with a new 1WR, 2 new Olinemen, and a New starting QB?

Folks, we are still lacking in talent from the offense side. Last year defense was the proirity, this year with a full offseason there will be renewed focus on the offense. Im willing to wait and see, patient is a b*tch though.

But continue on...