Laron Landry - Redskin for life?

[Meks]

^ happened once like 3 years ago, doubt it dude, that was just a cheap shot... congrats

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I thought of this more than once during yesterday's game, most notably when Doughty stopped Jacobs by taking out his legs. Doughty took a knee to the helmet but it was an impressive tackle. Landry would have gotten run over or (more likely) simply dove to the turf to avoid contact as he has so many times before.

...it's sad he never learned to tackle through all his years of high school and college ball.

Doughty is a very solid tackler. good example w/the Jacobs tackle. I know someone will likely bring up the Gronkowski play, but every db will miss tackles like that v. TEs or other bigger players over the course of a year. Doughty also had a good game in coverage, the PI call on him was bogus IMO, I really hate those calls - a wr can just slow down & get that call. Doughty was penalized for having tight coverage & trying to see the ball.

[REDSKINS4ever]

The Redskins need a safety like Alvin Walton who can hit and hit hard. Unfortunately, they don't make safeties like those anymore. What we see mostly today are the coverage safeties. Roy Williams, formerly of the Dallas Cowboys, was the last feared safety because of his ability to knock a wide receiver into next week.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins need a safety like Alvin Walton who can hit and hit hard. Unfortunately, they don't make safeties like those anymore. What we see mostly today are the coverage safeties. Roy Williams, formerly of the Dallas Cowboys, was the last feared safety because of his ability to knock a wide receiver into next week.

The problem with those safeties is the current rules. Walton, though I loved watching him play, would be on the weekly fine list and would routinely get 15 yd penalties if playing today.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins need a safety like Alvin Walton who can hit and hit hard. Unfortunately, they don't make safeties like those anymore. What we see mostly today are the coverage safeties. Roy Williams, formerly of the Dallas Cowboys, was the last feared safety because of his ability to knock a wide receiver into next week.

Sorry, but I have to disagree completely with your assertion here.

Safeties are the last line of defense; when/if they make a mistake, it often results in a TD for the other guys because there isn't anyone to cover for that mistake.

Having a safety that can hit hard is wonderful IF - - AND ONLY IF - - that same guy can cover WRs or TEs downfield when necessary. If he cannot and the WR is waltzing into the end zone for a TD, no one in the stadium or watching at home ought to give a flipping damn if that same safety can "knock a WR into next week."

Primary Duty for Safety: Never - - as in NEVER - - get beat deep.

Secondary duty for Safety: Be a sure tackler.

Tertiary Duty for Safety: "Intimidate" opposing pass receivers.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Sorry, but I have to disagree completely with your assertion here.

Safeties are the last line of defense; when/if they make a mistake, it often results in a TD for the other guys because there isn't anyone to cover for that mistake.

Having a safety that can hit hard is wonderful IF - - AND ONLY IF - - that same guy can cover WRs or TEs downfield when necessary. If he cannot and the WR is waltzing into the end zone for a TD, no one in the stadium or watching at home ought to give a flipping damn if that same safety can "knock a WR into next week."

Primary Duty for Safety: Never - - as in NEVER - - get beat deep.

Secondary duty for Safety: Be a sure tackler.

Tertiary Duty for Safety: "Intimidate" opposing pass receivers.

Well, you're right, but only insofar as FS is concerned. The Skins, along w/ a small handful of other defenses in the league, still run a scheme that truly differentiates SS from FS. Our SS would be a perfect fit for a Roy Williams type IMO.

...to the specific issue at hand I think Redskins4ever simply pointed our Laron doesn't scare anyone, which is absolutely true unless that weird pet monkey from a couple years ago is still in captivity at the Landry residence.

[diehard]

The team just needs two Sean Taylors.

[Meks]

^like

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Well, you're right, but only insofar as FS is concerned. The Skins, along w/ a small handful of other defenses in the league, still run a scheme that truly differentiates SS from FS. Our SS would be a perfect fit for a Roy Williams type IMO.

Not true. The Redskins play as much cover two as any team in the NFL these days.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not true. The Redskins play as much cover two as any team in the NFL these days.

Thank you; you are absolutely correct. The Redskins need safeties who can cover because that is how they play defense.

If you had two Sean Taylors - - or two Laron Landrys - - back there, you would see a lot of Redskins plays on ESPN's highlights AND you would also see lots of Redskins opponents catching passes and running into the end zone for TDs. Both guys hit hard; neither covered well.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by diehard

The team just needs two Sean Taylors.

I do not agree with this but your statement does bring another question to mind:

Who were the geniuses out there in Ashburn who concluded that Ryan Clark was not up to the task of playing safety in the NFL?

Please note that Clark can and will hit people hard, but his BIG value is that he is a good cover guy and when he gets an angle on someone with the ball he makes the tackle.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not true. The Redskins play as much cover two as any team in the NFL these days.

I don't have tape to re-watch games since I erased them from DVR, but from watching every game at least once my take was Haslett puts a safety deep (FS) and another close to the LOS (SS) on the majority of plays. Also, this isn't as obvious watching games on television as seeing them live because all the networks zoom in to the LOS.
For instance, I was shocked at how far we kept a safety back in the Seattle game, which I watched from great seats at Centurylink. Seattle doesn't even have a great passing attack.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I would gladly take our one Sean Taylor back, and I am sure his family would too.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Also on Doughty he does some good things for sure or he would not be in the NFL.

BUT he can be a liability at times.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I would gladly take our one Sean Taylor back, and I am sure his family would too.

That brought tears to my eyes.