Redskins Lions postgame

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Tell that to J.J. Watt, who also is a 3-4 DE. 3-4 DE's can make plays...but Bowen hasn't.

You're also comparing a first round monster to a guy we picked up. Also, Houston suns a totally different defense then we do.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What are you talking about? If the NFL said F this and paid every player the minimum and everything else was performance driven, you would have a much better product. I am not talking about replacing any players. The NFL is a corporation with individual franchise within the corporation, but it is a corporation. Corporations are shedding jobs and forcing those employed to work harder for their money, so why can't the NFL do that with the players. I am sure the owners would love that, and so would the fans. It just might cut ticket prices and give you more bang for your buck. Seriously now!!!!!!! These players that are raised in the hip hop culture have no incentive to win, when a huge sum of their $$$$$$$ is guaranteed upfront. They are one track minded, and that is $$$$$$$$$. It is a guy who is regularly screwing a girl who wants to get married. The guy doesn't have any incentive to walk down the aisle since he already is getting his. The NFL product is mediocre anymore. Why do you think the networks go over the top with the hype machine with it? The game should sell itself like it did in the 70-80's with minimal hype, except during the SB.

lol where in the world are you pulling this drivel from?

[Chico23231]

The damn thing that is just really irking me is the offense. I know the defense sux but damn it, it wasn't great last year. The oline inconsistencies, some decisions from rg3, the game planning, the non use of players like fed Davis and helu and even Darryl young, etc. I really at a loss. Sometimes it seems like we are doing too much to get into any type of offensive flow. I'd really like to see alfmo with more than 15 carries in a close game

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This may be the dumbest post in your long history of dumb posts here. It reeks of ignorance, and brings the down the value and quality of this site. Don't post crap like this again here

I don't think it is a dumb post at all. The NFL seems to tolerate the Hip Hop culture and let's face it, it has permeated American society for almost 20 years. Are you telling me that there hasn't been a watering down of both the character, sportsmanship, and the quality of play in the NFL over the said time period? The kids raised in this culture have been programmed to chase two things: tail and $$$$$$$$. There is absolutely no incentive for these kids to really focusing on winning when they are getting millions up front before they play down one. They win they get paid, they lose they get paid. Yeah doing well will get them a contract extension, and if they really do well more $$$$$$$, but these guys are set for life with the initial contract anyway. How many players did you ever see joke or laugh on the sidelines back in the day if they were getting their arses handed to them? Now you always see it. Maybe I am wrong in focusing on hip hop culture, but the culture in general is all about $$$$$$. Have to give these guys some real incentives to win, and if it has to be restructuring the way they get paid, I am all for it. That is the gist of my posts.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

lol where in the world are you pulling this drivel from?

Drank is a helleva drug

[Bucket]

We are going to be okay fella's. What you need to realize is we really beat ourselves today. We know what we are right now, and without RG3 playing to his potential he did last year it makes reality set in. Salary Cap hurt us so we are stuck with guys like Robinson who are one trick ponies, but drop the winning touchdown.

We have a good foundation and I really believe that. We just need to play better and get back to playing as good as we did last year. We are obviously capable of it. It's not like it's a myth.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Bucket

You're also comparing a first round monster to a guy we picked up. Also, Houston suns a totally different defense then we do.

"Totally different" is not true. But I will grant that our D is copied after Pittsburgh...where folks like Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel became famous by making plays from the 3-4 DE position.

Our ends have been invisible.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I don't think it is a dumb post at all. The NFL seems to tolerate the Hip Hop culture and let's face it, it has permeated American society for almost 20 years. Are you telling me that there hasn't been a watering down of both the character, sportsmanship, and the quality of play in the NFL over the said time period? The kids raised in this culture have been programmed to chase two things: tail and $$$$$$$$. There is absolutely no incentive for these kids to really focusing on winning when they are getting millions up front before they play down one. They win they get paid, they lose they get paid. Yeah doing well will get them a contract extension, and if they really do well more $$$$$$$, but these guys are set for life with the initial contract anyway. How many players did you ever see joke or laugh on the sidelines back in the day if they were getting their arses handed to them? Now you always see it. Maybe I am wrong in focusing on hip hop culture, but the culture in general is all about $$$$$$. Have to give these guys some real incentives to win, and if it has to be restructuring the way they get paid, I am all for it. That is the gist of my posts.

It's not about hip hop culture, it's just how it is. These are young 20 somethings typically joining the league. I've never known any 21 year old dude, that didn't enjoy money, women and partying.

Most of these guys are at least decent athletes. And so long as they know the line between work and play (which many of them, admittedly don't) then who are they hurting?

TL;DR - There are bad eggs in every sport and in life in general. This is the way of the world.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Bucket

We are going to be okay fella's. What you need to realize is we really beat ourselves today. We know what we are right now, and without RG3 playing to his potential he did last year it makes reality set in. Salary Cap hurt us so we are stuck with guys like Robinson who are one trick ponies, but drop the winning touchdown.

We have a good foundation and I really believe that. We just need to play better and get back to playing as good as we did last year. We are obviously capable of it. It's not like it's a myth.

All is true but it wasn't a game winning TD, it would have given us the lead no guarantees we would have won if he caught it.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Lotus

"Totally different" is not true. But I will grant that our D is copied after Pittsburgh...where folks like Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel became famous by making plays from the 3-4 DE position.

Our ends have been invisible.

I will say it can have some similar effects, but there is nothing wrong with Bowen. We do need Jenkins back, and I really hope that we continue to play more man next week. Of course, we most likely will not because Haslett will be scared of Pryor's legs.

[Chico23231]

Gus give me a break. If what your saying was remotely true the game wouldn't be thriving as it is. Most of these players are professionals work their asses off day in and day out and represent their organizations in their communities across the nation as role models. Sure the media will hype the bad apples but overall these kids are playing the game they love, getting paid well and giving back to there respected community. Some young guys don't get it but how can u complain about the character of rg3 and alfmo

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I don't think it is a dumb post at all. The NFL seems to tolerate the Hip Hop culture and let's face it, it has permeated American society for almost 20 years. Are you telling me that there hasn't been a watering down of both the character, sportsmanship, and the quality of play in the NFL over the said time period? The kids raised in this culture have been programmed to chase two things: tail and $$$$$$$$. There is absolutely no incentive for these kids to really focusing on winning when they are getting millions up front before they play down one. They win they get paid, they lose they get paid. Yeah doing well will get them a contract extension, and if they really do well more $$$$$$$, but these guys are set for life with the initial contract anyway. How many players did you ever see joke or laugh on the sidelines back in the day if they were getting their arses handed to them? Now you always see it. Maybe I am wrong in focusing on hip hop culture, but the culture in general is all about $$$$$$. Have to give these guys some real incentives to win, and if it has to be restructuring the way they get paid, I am all for it. That is the gist of my posts.

Of course, you don't think it's dumb. You wrote it. First of all, I don't know why you've already decided that Rambo and Amerson are worthless and not likely to improve much. Second, why are you putting murderers, rapists, and people who wear tattoos in the same category? Third, actually no most players in the league are not set for life. Fourth, players were drinking and smoking on the sidelines and in the locker room back in the day. Fifth, yes it absolutely was a dumb post

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What are you talking about? If the NFL said F this and paid every player the minimum and everything else was performance driven, you would have a much better product. I am not talking about replacing any players. The NFL is a corporation with individual franchise within the corporation, but it is a corporation. Corporations are shedding jobs and forcing those employed to work harder for their money, so why can't the NFL do that with the players. I am sure the owners would love that, and so would the fans. It just might cut ticket prices and give you more bang for your buck. Seriously now!!!!!!! These players that are raised in the hip hop culture have no incentive to win, when a huge sum of their $$$$$$$ is guaranteed upfront. They are one track minded, and that is $$$$$$$$$. It is a guy who is regularly screwing a girl who wants to get married. The guy doesn't have any incentive to walk down the aisle since he already is getting his. The NFL product is mediocre anymore. Why do you think the networks go over the top with the hype machine with it? The game should sell itself like it did in the 70-80's with minimal hype, except during the SB.

And you propose this how? Tell the NFLPA that no one is going to get paid? If the owners could get away with that, they would have. They pretty much raked the players over the coals in the last CBA, but its still a 10 bil revenue per year league, and will jump to 13-14 bil in the next year or two when the new TV contracts go into effect.

The NFL is the last league to not have guaranteed contracts and fines the players more than any other league. They have a pretty restrictive rookie salary cap. But if you think that you can get all players to accept minimum wage and make an extra 10 bucks per int or td, good luck with that. I would really love to see you accomplish that.

[Chico23231]

Amerson has played decent so far and Rambo has shown and will improve.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So SS, would Mike fire Kyle midseason? Or will we be hamstrung from Shanahan family bickering all year?

Let me start over here. First, I shouldn't have brought this up today. The reality is that at 3-0 I'd probably be thinking the same thing. I mean I've talked at least to Matty about this. I'm not talking about letting him go now. Not at all. What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long