Sources: Gruden the front runner

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure why people have this concern about Gruden and QBs. Gannon had his best years under him and so did Brad Johnson. I don't blame him much for the musical chairs at QB in Tampa at the end. The front office there simply wouldn't spend money so he ended up picking up scraps. And if it weren't for that spleen injury Simms had who knows, he could have developed.

It's not so much when he has a quarterback that he can work with, it's when he doesn't. But also, his involvement in personnel decision-making is not known. And whether or not he is to blame for the qb carousel, he does not have proven skills in player personnel decisions.

Something that I think both you and I have agreed that the next head coach of the redskins should have to work with Snyder and Cerrato.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know if Gruden is the right coach for the Redskins. Even though he won a superbowl with Tampa Bay, in the the last few years with the Bucs, the quarterback position there brought uncertainty to the offense and the team. This is the opposite of what the redskins need right now.

Shanaghan and Cowher are coaches that may be better suited for the redskins especially considering the team's current situation. They are different from one another in their coaching and offensive style of play, but both should bring in a better ground game and more than likely solidify the offensive line.

I don't see how the player aquasition is any different then what Zorn has done or what Shanahan has done.

Gruden stock piled QB's
Shanahan stock piled RB's
Zorn stock piled RB's.

The only difference is their personalities. We need a coach who is not going to coddle the players and pat their backs, we need one that will get in their faces.

[calia]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know if Gruden is the right coach for the Redskins. Even though he won a superbowl with Tampa Bay, in the the last few years with the Bucs, the quarterback position there brought uncertainty to the offense and the team. This is the opposite of what the redskins need right now.

Shanaghan and Cowher are coaches that may be better suited for the redskins especially considering the team's current situation. They are different from one another in their coaching and offensive style of play, but both should bring in a better ground game and more than likely solidify the offensive line.

I know some folks don't like Cowher (I do). But one thing about him that I think is positive by any objective measure is that he brought in very good assistant coaches and gave them real roles (Grimm, Tomlin). Having a core group of solid, experienced coaches is important, and Cowher can build that. We've been hit and miss in that department.

[celts32]

I think most skins fans would be thrilled with Cohwer. I think he is talked about less because he is the least likely to come here. Most people think he is either not going to coach at all or is waiting out the Carolina job.

[freddyg12]

Gruden had a nice O in Oakland - man, doesn't that seem ages ago! And prior to that time, Gannon's career was that of a journeyman backup. Remember him in b&g?

I don't know that he's the best out there, but it sounds like a no. of signs point to him as being one of the most likely.

[GTripp0012]

If we draft offensive linemen with our first two draft picks in next year's draft, I guarantee that we'll have an above average offense next year. It's somewhat dependent on who the quarterback is, but as long as you don't go the Tony Banks route, they should be okay.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we draft offensive linemen with our first two draft picks in next year's draft, I guarantee that we'll have an above average offense next year. It's somewhat dependent on who the quarterback is, but as long as you don't go the Tony Banks route, they should be okay.

You can't guarantee that cause you don't know if those players will be any good. Just cause we take guys high doesn't mean they can play. aka Chad Rinehart. It might take a few years to rebuild the line cause we need 3-4 spots that need to be replaced.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You can't guarantee that cause you don't know if those players will be any good. Just cause we take guys high doesn't mean they can play. aka Chad Rinehart. It might take a few years to rebuild the line cause we need 3-4 spots that need to be replaced.

Well, Chad Rinehart was not taken high. He was taken at a spot where you would expect 50% of the offensive lineman taken there to bust, and a historically higher percentage for lineman from non-major college conferences.

Chad's actually worked out okay in limited time as a guard, but that's all he's ever going to be.

When I say taking lineman with the first two picks, I actually mean taking real college talents that teams across the leagues universally see as good players. I'm talking about two guys who would be off the board by the end of their respective rounds whether we drafted them or not. Chad Rinehart was a different animal, though not a bad pick.

[JLee9718]

I wouldn't trust my football with a guy that spells his first name wrong.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

I wouldn't trust my football with a guy that spells his first name wrong.

Now I know your first name.

[SBXVII]

There showing M.Schottenheimer with the San Diego Chargers right now on NFL Network. God his team looks good.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

There showing M.Schottenheimer with the San Diego Chargers right now on NFL Network. God his team looks good.

Yeah, except he gets to the red zone and gets really conservative, maybe that's why he never won a SB.

[SBXVII]

Even funnier...Portis is with Denver in this game. LOL>

[skinster]

I'm not sure that gruden is the guy for the job. I don't think he is the type of coach to be able to rebuild a franchise. He doesn't seem to make smart decisions when trying to turn a team around. He seems to like his veterans and high effort guys too much...I'm not so sure he really knows what talent is necessary to win. But he is a great motivator, so when the pieces are in place, he does a good job.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinster

I'm not sure that gruden is the guy for the job. I don't think he is the type of coach to be able to rebuild a franchise. He doesn't seem to make smart decisions when trying to turn a team around. He seems to like his veterans and high effort guys too much...I'm not so sure he really knows what talent is necessary to win. But he is a great motivator, so when the pieces are in place, he does a good job.

Anyone know what role he played in turning the Raiders around? I don't even recall if the Raiders were all that bad before he got there, but my assumption is that they were. Wasn't he the Raiders coach in the infamous tuck rule game against the Pats?