WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

[Dogtag]

I am very disappointed in AH; he just is not making good decisions.

He does not understand the concept of being a member of a TEAM. He is either getting bad advice from his agent or he is not very bright. He obviously over values his worth. He is not a man of strong moral character.

I am disappointed that he does not care for this Organization, its great members, and its very proud history in a manner that most fans here at the WP most certainly do.

AH remarks remind me of the immature character in the movie PRIVATE BENJAMIN ... I remember a scene where she is walking off punishment duty in the rain and complains that this is not the Army she signed up for ... the recruiter broke promises made to her.

Fletcher's comments are right on the mark. It will be interesting to see how management deals with this situation ... it will send a message to the rest of the team.

[Mc2guy]

Anyone catch this gem of a blog?

INSIDE THE CAP with J.I. Halsell: Under the Cap: The Redskins Finally Leverage the Uncapped Year

Basically, BA converted the Option Bonus to a Signing Bonus earlier this year (presumably to avoid future cap charges for Big Al). In doing so, the $21M now becomes available for forfeiture if Haynesworth defaults on his contract, whereas it was untouchable as an option bonus.

Al's agent now looks like a moron if their plan was to hold out all along. Seems pretty clear that if Haynesworth doesn't show, or gets himself suspended, he will forfeit all or much of the $21M.

This makes me feel more confident that Allen and Shanny foresaw this issue and planned for its contingency. These guys look smarter every day.

[skinsfan_nn]

Who really gives two shits about BO (Ya think Reid had good reason to tell him to stay home!), it was more about Fat POS Al exclude the last two sentences. And by the way he's been in the "bad apple category" everywhere he's been like FAT BOY well because he's been a F*ckin bad apple that happens to be unemployed for a reason.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Umm,

#1- T.O didn't refuse to show up, Reid told him to stay home as punishment.
#2- It's my understanding AH can be fined $10,000 for each day he doesn't show up. Although $30,000 is chump change for not showing up at the 3 day mandatory camp when he was just given 21 mill April 1st.

Why do people always try to lump T.O. into every bad apple category? I think people have well over stated T.O.'s being a cancer issue.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ Are you sure that's true? It says it's a signing bonus that's not prorated b/c its voidable at the players option. If it's not prorated, I don't think the club can reclaim a portion of it.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I still think I'd hold on to him for as long as possible simply to either recoup the money spent or make him miserable. After that I'd look into trading him to

Rams
Lions
Jaguars
Raiders
Bucs

I would put serious thought into the Eagles only to try and get back our 2nd round pick next yr.

I agree with except the eagle trade there is no way i want to see this monster twice a year. Granted he is POS but he can cause some major damage giving the chance.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Are you sure that's true? It says it's a signing bonus that's not prorated b/c its voidable at the players option. If it's not prorated, I don't think the club can reclaim a portion of it.

What it says is that the team can go after a prorated portion of a signing bonus if a player renegs or "willfully or substantially undermines their ability to contribute to training camp or regular season" according to the CBA.

Since the prorated period for the contract is 2010-2015, then as I read it, this is year one and they can go after all of it. If he lays down in 2011, they would only be able to go after 16.8M (21 - 4.2).

I guess it comes down to how an arbitrator would rule on the definition of "willfully or substantially undermining" and how the proration of the bonus would work. Regardless, the Skins have a position legally to allow them to recoup their bonus money if Fatty doesn't play ball. Had they not converted the Option to a Signing bonus, they would have zero recourse.

[Mc2guy]

Here is the exact language from the CBA, which can be found here:

CBA-Download - NFLPlayers.com

Section 9. Limitations on Salary Forfeitures:

(a) No forfeitures of signing bonuses shall be permitted, except that
players and Clubs may agree: (i) to proportionate forfeitures of a signing
bonus if a player voluntarily retires or willfully withholds his services from
one or more regular season games; and/or (ii) that if a player willfully takes
action that has the effect of substantially undermining his ability to fully
participate and contribute in either pre-season training camp or the regular
season (including by willfully withholding his services in either pre-season
training camp or during the regular season or willfully missing one or more
games), the player may forfeit the greater of: (a) 25% of the prorated portion
of his signing bonus for the applicable League Year for the first time
such conduct occurs after the beginning of training camp until the end of
the season for his Club, and the remaining 75% prorated portion of his
signing bonus for the applicable year for the second time such conduct occurs
during that period that year; or (b) the proportionate amount of his
signing bonus allocation for each week missed (1/17th for each regular season
week or game missed).

[Mc2guy]

Oops, looks like RI beat me to the punch, but hey, I'm a desk jockey they're "journalists."

Redskins Insider - Sources: NFLPA advised Haynesworth about skipping minicamp

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

Oops, looks like RI beat me to the punch, but hey, I'm a desk jockey they're "journalists."

Redskins Insider - Sources: NFLPA advised Haynesworth about skipping minicamp

ahhh.. you edited

[diehard]

I gotta feeling the Skins will win an arbitration. Haynesworth is not the model player the CBA wants to represent. Besides, Syder will have top lawyers and maybe Obama will step in...

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

ahhh.. you edited

...and since I'm not a journalist, I have to be my own editor. Not that editors seem to do much in this day and age...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It was Phillip Daniels, or so I've heard. But for all I know it could have been Fletcher himself

I can't remember where I saw this, whether it was here, on ESPN or RI, but somewhere it said Shanahan talked to Haynesworth in February and offered to release him by April 1st if he agreed to not take the option bonus. So I feel like it should be kinda obvious that Haynesworth wanted to wait so he could get that bonus money, he was probably advised by the NFLPA that if he was on the roster April 1st and he reported to all the mandatory sessions that money would be his to keep and that's why Haynesworth didn't take up the offer by April 1st.

So my questions are, do you think the Redskins have a good chance at recouping some of that money in light of it being made into a signing bonus on the contract renegotiations, and do you really think this is more about how Al feels about being pushed down the depth chart for not showing up as you previously implied in this thread? And also why would Shanny need to ask Haynesworth not to take the option bonus if they cut him by April 1st, wouldn't that have cancelled the bonus if they just cut him by April 1st? And one more question. Lets say he skips the mandatory minicamp but shows up for training camp and the Redskins have already decided to pursue arbitration on the bonus, does he stand as good of a chance as the NFLPA advised him? I remember somewhere it said the NFLPA pretty much guaranteed that bonus money would be his to keep if he was on the roster April 1st and didn't skip training camp, which it sounds like isn't in his plans.

[bigdaddy2348]

I hope he is traded and blow out both his MCL and ACL in both legs. Ending his career. Also I hope his baby momma gets the rest of his money!!!!

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You're right, I don't think this complicates next year's cap at all because of the way they restructured his $21 million signing bonus. Essentially, it only effects the 2010 roster.

But the Skins made a tactical error, in my opinion, by not cutting him before April 1st. That was their chance to unload his fat ass.

He still would have got all the money. It was guaranteed in the contract. Cutting him would only have saved base salary.

[JoeRedskin]

The 21M was only guarranteed if he was still on the team.