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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Big C

i doubt it. i think tagging him would mean he gets a 1 year deal where we pay him the average of the top 5 guards in the league's salary. knowing the deal hutchinson got in minnesota, im sure the average is quite high and he isnt worth THAT much IMO

I think the tag would be a very reasonable option with DD. We have to avoid putting any more big contract stuff into the 2008 and 2009 seasons, and the franchise tag would allow us to load about 5-6 million of our cap space into this year to have dock on board without having to make a commitment to him for the 2008 season and beyond.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the tag would be a very reasonable option with DD. We have to avoid putting any more big contract stuff into the 2008 and 2009 seasons, and the franchise tag would allow us to load about 5-6 million of our cap space into this year to have dock on board without having to make a commitment to him for the 2008 season and beyond.

good point but im not sure if we can really handle 5-6 million for next year when we need a lot of upgrades on defense. if we could do that and still get the required defensive upgrades i would be all for ithe could be had at probably a 3 mil per year deal i would estimate if we were to actually sign him. hutchinson is getting 7 mil per year i think

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we do all that, the cap situations for 08 and 09 will be downright brutal. $7 million from Arch plus restructuring could put us over the cap in 2008 with about 25 players counting towards the 116 million figure. Too much pressure to win now, I don't like it.

This is incorrect. The Redskins seem to have a lot of money tied up in cap figures for the 2008 season (currently stands at $102 million against the $116 million projected cap), but $60 million of it is tied to base salaries which can easily be renegotiated (and will be as the team has historically done). For example, saying goodbye to Brunell sometime before the 2008 season would clear his $6.5 million salary off the books and create almost enough space to handle Archuleta's $7 million deadcap hit alone. In addition, guys like Jansen, Samuels, R Thomas, Portis, Springs, and Marcus Washington are all scheduled to make $4 million or higher in 2008 base salaries. These can easily be renegotiated this time next year to clear another $10-$20 million in 2008 cap space, if the team needs.

The team has plenty of flexibility to not only cut Archuleta, but also cut Brandon Lloyd this year if they wanted to. Should they try to cut both, then they'd be more restricted in free agency. I don't think they'll do that, but they easily have the cap flexibility to create the space they need in both 2007 and 2008.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

According to CPND cap info center, the 'skins are $2.891m over the 2007 NFL cap number of $109m. If you click the link, all you capologists have all the info you need including contract amounts and cap hits for 2007 and 2008. May the force be with you.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Good information, and they seem to have it all updated pretty well.

Crazy Canuck keeps this information here on the Warpath and keeps it in a much more user-friendly format (in my opinion). If anyone is so inclined, you can actually copy Canuck's tables to excel and do some number crunching on your own (which I've done). He last updated on the 19th of December, so the link you provided is more updated. But check back on Canuck's figures here when he updates. The information is easier to handle.

That other site you mentioned is PCinOZ's cap site. I've never loved the format but his info is second to none, especially concerning signing bonus details, etc.

I'm gonna do another update in the next day or two.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

That other site you mentioned is PCinOZ's cap site. I've never loved the format but his info is second to none, especially concerning signing bonus details, etc.

I'm gonna do another update in the next day or two.

Ahh yeah the dude I recently banned due to the fact he was spamming us and trying to get around our 10 post minimum to post new threads. Good info but the guy needs a lesson in forum etiquette.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ahh yeah the dude I recently banned due to the fact he was spamming us and trying to get around our 10 post minimum to post new threads. Good info but the guy needs a lesson in forum etiquette.

Agreed. Which Warpath member(s) is responsible for giving etiquette lessons? PWNED?

[JoeRedskin]

In terms of tagging Dockery - I think he would get the O-Line amount. In
2006 the franchise tag for an O Lineman was 6.99 Mil. I think that the categories are set in the CBA and that, in 2006, there was not a separate category for guards. Unless the new CBA alters the categories, I think that franchising a tackle costs the same as franchising a guard. (For some reason, I thought they had separated out left tackles, but I could be wrong).

These numbers are from Ask The Commish.com - The Cost of Applying the Franchise Tag in 2006 and were for 2006:
Quarterback $8.8 million
Defensive End $8,332,000
Linebacker $7,169,000
Offensive Line $6.99 million
Wide Receiver $6,172,000
Running Back $6,085,000
Cornerback $5.9 million
Defensive Tackle $5,656,000
Safety $4.1 million
Tight End $3,327,000
Kicker/Punter $2.5 million

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is incorrect. The Redskins seem to have a lot of money tied up in cap figures for the 2008 season (currently stands at $102 million against the $116 million projected cap), but $60 million of it is tied to base salaries which can easily be renegotiated (and will be as the team has historically done). For example, saying goodbye to Brunell sometime before the 2008 season would clear his $6.5 million salary off the books and create almost enough space to handle Archuleta's $7 million deadcap hit alone. In addition, guys like Jansen, Samuels, R Thomas, Portis, Springs, and Marcus Washington are all scheduled to make $4 million or higher in 2008 base salaries. These can easily be renegotiated this time next year to clear another $10-$20 million in 2008 cap space, if the team needs.

The team has plenty of flexibility to not only cut Archuleta, but also cut Brandon Lloyd this year if they wanted to. Should they try to cut both, then they'd be more restricted in free agency. I don't think they'll do that, but they easily have the cap flexibility to create the space they need in both 2007 and 2008.

Not arguing the flexibilty, but I'm just saying its a bad situation. We will need to put almost 30 guys under contract for 2008 who arent already with only cap room created through restructuring. It's not that hard to do, but damned if we can fit anyone of quality into that number.

If we continue to restructure everybody, it's going to get harder and harder to get any talent through FA from 2008 foward. We simply will have too many roster spaces to fill with a relatively small amount of cap space. We have to make sure to restructure only as much space as we need.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

In terms of tagging Dockery - I think he would get the O-Line amount. In
2006 the franchise tag for an O Lineman was 6.99 Mil. I think that the categories are set in the CBA and that, in 2006, there was not a separate category for guards. Unless the new CBA alters the categories, I think that franchising a tackle costs the same as franchising a guard. (For some reason, I thought they had separated out left tackles, but I could be wrong).

These numbers are from Ask The Commish.com - The Cost of Applying the Franchise Tag in 2006 and were for 2006:
Quarterback $8.8 million
Defensive End $8,332,000
Linebacker $7,169,000
Offensive Line $6.99 million
Wide Receiver $6,172,000
Running Back $6,085,000
Cornerback $5.9 million
Defensive Tackle $5,656,000
Safety $4.1 million
Tight End $3,327,000
Kicker/Punter $2.5 million

We could also transition tag him for considerably less, but the problem with that is someone for sure would put some sort of offer in since there is no penalty, and then you have to match it. Plus you get into poison pills and whatnot.

[Bill B]

What about placing the transition tag on Dockery instead of the franchise tag? We may not get 2 first rounders if he signs elsewhere but at least it gives the Skins the match if other offers come in. I believe the transition tag requires the following - I would assume Dockery is worth this:

• A transition player has received a minimum offer of the average of the top 10 salaries of last season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.
• A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation. Transition players can be signed from March 3 through July 22.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bill B

What about placing the transition tag on Dockery instead of the franchise tag? We may not get 2 first rounders if he signs elsewhere but at least it gives the Skins the match if other offers come in. I believe the transition tag requires the following - I would assume Dockery is worth this:

• A transition player has received a minimum offer of the average of the top 10 salaries of last season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.
• A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation. Transition players can be signed from March 3 through July 22.

See my post above

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

See my post above

Sorry about that - I missed your post - is this what happened to Steve Hutchinson with the Seahawks to the Vikings in that the Vikings made the contract in a way the Seahawks had no chance to match?

[JWsleep]

Good cap info, all--as usual.

As for Dock, I really think they are letting him walk. When they want to sign someone, they do it quick. But if they want someone to come down in price, they rarely get their man. This is the problem with Snyder's reputation (deserved or not)--agents and players feel they should get a bank-breaking payday, and when they don't, they take it as a sign of no love from the FO. Then they walk, even when the deal elsewhere is only marginally better. We make the blockbuster deals, but can't close the close ones.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We could also transition tag him for considerably less, but the problem with that is someone for sure would put some sort of offer in since there is no penalty, and then you have to match it. Plus you get into poison pills and whatnot.

Yeah I'll agree with that. Restructuring should be done in moderation. The only time it makes total sense to just go for broke and kick all of the cap hits into the future is when you really think this is our year to win it all.

But I don't think we're at that point (LOL). We should restructure to give us enough space to bring in the good young talent we need. But we shouldn't go on a crazy shopping spree.

Ideally, we'd have more draft picks and build our talent pool that way, but that'd make too much sense!

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

It wouldnt surprise me that the skins dont sign dockery. That their style let go of our own and over pay for someone else's crap. Then go man we screwed up again. Its been happing since 99.