Redskins Win In Appeals Court

SmootSmack · 05-15-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

NO, not close!
To many Native Americans ...the word Redskin ...has the same connotation as the "N" word does for African Americans ,to them it's not trivial.........not by a long shot!

To many it's not a big deal

'Redskins' mascot acceptable, poll says - NFC East- nbcsports.msnbc.com

Skinny Tee · 05-15-2009, 05:08 PM

The Buccaneers are pirates.

There are still actual pirates roaming around the coast of Somolia inflicting terrible damage and destruction. Families lives have been altered tramatically by these pirates and they should not be revered.

I am offended by this name and encourage everyone to take it up with your local state and federal officials.

I am also the same dumbass who wants to change the Redskins name.

(Sorry a bit of role play there. I know for a fact that I am bias I just think that name changing has no relevence to people)

Giantone · 05-15-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

To many it's not a big deal

'Redskins' mascot acceptable, poll says - NFC East- nbcsports.msnbc.com

I understand that but to a growing number it is.

insideman · 05-15-2009, 05:29 PM

Hope the skins can keep winning these appeals. Theres nothing wrong with any of the teams names, especially the redskins. Just like the buccaneers, its just a name of a team and nothing more. Yes there are pirates for real into days world, but the name is not making these men who call themselves pirates, do the crimes they are committing. Its the people themselves. Just like the gun issues, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Long live the name WASHINGTON REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Giantone · 05-15-2009, 05:35 PM

if anyone is interested.

The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition

SmootSmack · 05-15-2009, 05:42 PM

I'm just going to repost my thoughts from the last time this topic came up.

It admittedly does get increasingly difficult to pretend that the team's name does not have some other connotation. And the really cold fact is that, because Native Americans have been so marginalized in our society (once their society), that the offensiveness passes unnoticed because there is really no one around to hear the tree fall in the forest. A name that gave that kind of depiction to Blacks or Ricans like me would get shouted down because there are enough people in that constituency with enough of a relevant voice sure to tell society that that is unacceptable.

Couple of ironies though. One is that the fact is that when you say the word "Redskins" in so-called mainstream U.S. society, what people think of first IS the football team, and NOT the ethnic group. Another is that research (which I don’t have right in front of me right now) reveals that Native Americans themselves throughout the years at all levels of sport have themselves named their teams Redskins. Hmm.

When people talked about "ni**ers" that word was laced with hatred and a misguided superiority at the time it was being said, with violence, lynchings, separate restrooms, back of the bus, you name it. But when we say the word Redskins today, there is no associated hatred or sense of
supremacy vis a vis Native Americans; the word comes out of the mouth without any associated negative baggage. Sure, it is the same "word," but the substance is not the same at all. The prevailing argument is that we should dispense with the word because it is offensive and does not
represent our society today. But since we know that it does not represent today's society, then the alleged offensive substance of the word has already been rendered meaningless !

Even on the team itself, I don't remember anyone thinking Mark Rypien was dumb or reviled as the quarterback because he was Native American; of course not. So, where is the real offensiveness? What was that we learned in school, "sticks and stones may break my bones..."

Growing up for me (and I’m sure others), the name depicted bravery and glory etc. and that, as far as the Washington Redskins were concerned specifically to be called a "true Redskin" was a badge of honor in the sports world and in the local community, as it stood for humble guys who worked hard on the field with great teamwork and gave to the community off of it. It was hardly
disparaging at all and really had nothing to do with offending Native Americans b/c again, Redskin conjured up the image of Darrell Green and Art Monk, not Sitting Bull.

As a minority myself, I sometimes find it perplexing that other minorities in the U.S. would look so quickly to self-identify as hyphenated, and to marginalize themselves by choosing to direct their collective energy to take up the cause of being offended by labels and semantics.

Riggo44 · 05-15-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantone

if anyone is interested.

The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition

No thanks.

tryfuhl · 05-15-2009, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantone

I understand that but to a growing number it is.

Can we see your research?

Riggo44 · 05-15-2009, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm just going to repost my thoughts from the last time this topic came up.

It admittedly does get increasingly difficult to pretend that the team's name does not have some other connotation. And the really cold fact is that, because Native Americans have been so marginalized in our society (once their society), that the offensiveness passes unnoticed because there is really no one around to hear the tree fall in the forest. A name that gave that kind of depiction to Blacks or Ricans like me would get shouted down because there are enough people in that constituency with enough of a relevant voice sure to tell society that that is unacceptable.

Couple of ironies though. One is that the fact is that when you say the word "Redskins" in so-called mainstream U.S. society, what people think of first IS the football team, and NOT the ethnic group. Another is that research (which I don’t have right in front of me right now) reveals that Native Americans themselves throughout the years at all levels of sport have themselves named their teams Redskins. Hmm.

When people talked about "ni**ers" that word was laced with hatred and a misguided superiority at the time it was being said, with violence, lynchings, separate restrooms, back of the bus, you name it. But when we say the word Redskins today, there is no associated hatred or sense of
supremacy vis a vis Native Americans; the word comes out of the mouth without any associated negative baggage. Sure, it is the same "word," but the substance is not the same at all. The prevailing argument is that we should dispense with the word because it is offensive and does not
represent our society today. But since we know that it does not represent today's society, then the alleged offensive substance of the word has already been rendered meaningless !

Even on the team itself, I don't remember anyone thinking Mark Rypien was dumb or reviled as the quarterback because he was Native American; of course not. So, where is the real offensiveness? What was that we learned in school, "sticks and stones may break my bones..."

Growing up for me (and I’m sure others), the name depicted bravery and glory etc. and that, as far as the Washington Redskins were concerned specifically to be called a "true Redskin" was a badge of honor in the sports world and in the local community, as it stood for humble guys who worked hard on the field with great teamwork and gave to the community off of it. It was hardly
disparaging at all and really had nothing to do with offending Native Americans b/c again, Redskin conjured up the image of Darrell Green and Art Monk, not Sitting Bull.

As a minority myself, I sometimes find it perplexing that other minorities in the U.S. would look so quickly to self-identify as hyphenated, and to marginalize themselves by choosing to direct their collective energy to take up the cause of being offended by labels and semantics.

Exactly! Well said Smoot!

Gmanc711 · 05-15-2009, 05:49 PM

I could deal with them changing the logo (and actually would be in favor of them going to like the spear or something)...

If they changed the name, and they changed it to anything other than "The Skins'" or "Skins'" Or somthing... It'd be pretty tough for me to accept not being from the DC area and rooting for them based on location.

Gmanc711 · 05-15-2009, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantone

if anyone is interested.

The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition

Ha I wonder what Dan Snyder does with that piece of paper when it gets maild to him..

05-15-2009, 05:54 PM

Im happy the Skins won because it would feel weird calling the Redskins something else. Honestly though the team name imo is racist. If they changed it it wouldnt bother me as much as other Redskins fans.

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Well of course not, I don't think any Redskins fan chose to be the fan based on the logo or colors (I hope not!)

Actually the colors were one of many reasons why I started liking the Redskins as a kid. I dont understand why you would hope not?

skinsnut · 05-15-2009, 06:16 PM

we could just change change the name to Maroonskins

Zerohero · 05-15-2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantone

How bout , Washington Indians..?

How bout lot of Native Americans like having teams named after some type of Indian reference. Last game i was at in Arizona i lost count of Native Americans with redskin jerseys. All this legislation is from a small group and while i cant say for sure in this case, is normally based on money and not honor.

In all seriousness, with the horrible history of their treatment back in the day, don't hold your breath with these lawsuits. I guess what i'm saying is a lot has to be done before we worry bout the names of our sports teams.

SBXVII · 05-15-2009, 06:51 PM

You know what if they don't like the name don't root for the team. Everyone thinks we all should think a like. It's every where even in Gov. We elect people to sit in Washington and make decisions as to what we as a society would want and they vote on it no matter if it's the popular vote or not.

People are way too politically correct. Which is why I love Carlos Mencia. I just wish people would not try to force their oppinions of what I should watch or listen to on my radio. If you don't like it change the channel.

05-15-2009, 05:08 PM	#17
Skinny Tee The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redskins Nation Posts: 1,715	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court The Buccaneers are pirates. There are still actual pirates roaming around the coast of Somolia inflicting terrible damage and destruction. Families lives have been altered tramatically by these pirates and they should not be revered. I am offended by this name and encourage everyone to take it up with your local state and federal officials. I am also the same dumbass who wants to change the Redskins name. (Sorry a bit of role play there. I know for a fact that I am bias I just think that name changing has no relevence to people) __________________ Redskinsly, _________Skinny Tee_________

05-15-2009, 05:29 PM	#19
insideman Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 114	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court Hope the skins can keep winning these appeals. Theres nothing wrong with any of the teams names, especially the redskins. Just like the buccaneers, its just a name of a team and nothing more. Yes there are pirates for real into days world, but the name is not making these men who call themselves pirates, do the crimes they are committing. Its the people themselves. Just like the gun issues, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Long live the name WASHINGTON REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-15-2009, 05:35 PM	#20
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,427	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court if anyone is interested. The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition

05-15-2009, 05:42 PM	#21
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court I'm just going to repost my thoughts from the last time this topic came up. It admittedly does get increasingly difficult to pretend that the team's name does not have some other connotation. And the really cold fact is that, because Native Americans have been so marginalized in our society (once their society), that the offensiveness passes unnoticed because there is really no one around to hear the tree fall in the forest. A name that gave that kind of depiction to Blacks or Ricans like me would get shouted down because there are enough people in that constituency with enough of a relevant voice sure to tell society that that is unacceptable. Couple of ironies though. One is that the fact is that when you say the word "Redskins" in so-called mainstream U.S. society, what people think of first IS the football team, and NOT the ethnic group. Another is that research (which I don’t have right in front of me right now) reveals that Native Americans themselves throughout the years at all levels of sport have themselves named their teams Redskins. Hmm. When people talked about "ni**ers" that word was laced with hatred and a misguided superiority at the time it was being said, with violence, lynchings, separate restrooms, back of the bus, you name it. But when we say the word Redskins today, there is no associated hatred or sense of supremacy vis a vis Native Americans; the word comes out of the mouth without any associated negative baggage. Sure, it is the same "word," but the substance is not the same at all. The prevailing argument is that we should dispense with the word because it is offensive and does not represent our society today. But since we know that it does not represent today's society, then the alleged offensive substance of the word has already been rendered meaningless ! Even on the team itself, I don't remember anyone thinking Mark Rypien was dumb or reviled as the quarterback because he was Native American; of course not. So, where is the real offensiveness? What was that we learned in school, "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Growing up for me (and I’m sure others), the name depicted bravery and glory etc. and that, as far as the Washington Redskins were concerned specifically to be called a "true Redskin" was a badge of honor in the sports world and in the local community, as it stood for humble guys who worked hard on the field with great teamwork and gave to the community off of it. It was hardly disparaging at all and really had nothing to do with offending Native Americans b/c again, Redskin conjured up the image of Darrell Green and Art Monk, not Sitting Bull. As a minority myself, I sometimes find it perplexing that other minorities in the U.S. would look so quickly to self-identify as hyphenated, and to marginalize themselves by choosing to direct their collective energy to take up the cause of being offended by labels and semantics. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-15-2009, 05:49 PM	#25
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court I could deal with them changing the logo (and actually would be in favor of them going to like the spear or something)... If they changed the name, and they changed it to anything other than "The Skins'" or "Skins'" Or somthing... It'd be pretty tough for me to accept not being from the DC area and rooting for them based on location. __________________ #21

05-15-2009, 06:16 PM	#28
skinsnut Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,975	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court we could just change change the name to Maroonskins __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

05-15-2009, 06:51 PM	#30
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Redskins Win In Appeals Court You know what if they don't like the name don't root for the team. Everyone thinks we all should think a like. It's every where even in Gov. We elect people to sit in Washington and make decisions as to what we as a society would want and they vote on it no matter if it's the popular vote or not. People are way too politically correct. Which is why I love Carlos Mencia. I just wish people would not try to force their oppinions of what I should watch or listen to on my radio. If you don't like it change the channel.

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