The line is quite offensive right now

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

I feel the same way. I'm teetering on the fence about his performances. I think part of the problem is obviously the O-line but other QB's only have 3-7 sec. to get rid of the ball also. I see him not picking up where the blitz is coming from in obvious situations, I see him throwing the ball too late to the receivers forcing them to try to catch the ball behind them, he gets scared and throws the ball too soon when the receiver is not expecting it ie; two players getting hit in the helmit, checking down too soon when there is open receivers down field.

I'm not trying to bash him, I was one of the fans who thought he might work out since he did so well the first 8 games last yr, but he leaves me wondering what he has that would make any team want to keep him. What I see is if the receiver has not come to a complete stop, facing him, ready to catch the ball, with no defender with in 10 yrds JC doesn't like to throw the ball. Not sure if it's cause he's afraid to throw an interception or if he has trouble hitting moving targets. If we keep him the off season needs to be utilized trying to hit those moving golf targets. LOL.

[CRedskinsRule]

Well if we are calling them out, this thread has to start with Rabach. It looked like he was direct snapping to the RB's knee. (would be interesting if that was a designed crazy play since Gruden said it set up like the first TD to Thomas).

and Heyer. I saw him plopped on his a** on multiple occassions. After he was back at RT.

[Chico23231]

I agree, and because we need 3 new starters I would support picking up 1 through free agency preferably one of the first 2 Marcus or Jarhi. BUT I no way support spending a ton of dollars to get 2 or 3 guys because we will continue to repeat the same bullsh*t spend policy of Snyder. IT DOESNT WORK! We need to looking very very closely at the upcoming draft and draft at least 3 Olineman with our picks. We need teambuilding through. Our first pick mos def should be spent on a Olineman. I think Williams, Reinhart, Heyer, and Montgomery are good second stringers, but are not starters, so I say try to keep some of these guys around to compete as proper depth for our team.

[skinsfan69]

The line is bad and everyone knows it. Someone needs to take the fall for putting Williams on the roster. Also where is Rinehart?????? But part of the problem is Campbell. He's been doing this all year.....when he steps up in the pocket he keeps moving forward. He doesn't stop and re set his feet. He steps right up in the backs of the guys that are blocking for him. Yes the line sucks but JC sure isn't helping them.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The line is bad and everyone knows it. Someone needs to take the fall for putting Williams on the roster. Also where is Rinehart?????? But part of the problem is Campbell. He's been doing this all year.....when he steps up in the pocket he keeps moving forward. He doesn't stop and re set his feet. He steps right up in the backs of the guys that are blocking for him. Yes the line sucks but JC sure isn't helping them.

This line has it's problems across the board, but in all fairness to Williams I think he's played fairly well the last two weeks at R/T. The real problem areas on the line right now are at C/RG/LT. I've had my nocks trained on the RT for the last two weeks since Williams has been inserted, he is not the problem.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

This line has it's problems across the board, but in all fairness to Williams I think he's played fairly well the last two weeks at R/T. The real problem areas on the line right now are at C/RG/LT. I've had my nocks trained on the RT for the last two weeks since Williams has been inserted, he is not the problem.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Williams is has had solid outings the last couple of games. I'm waiting till the end of the season to see if RT is a huge a need as we think. Regardless, if we end up with a top 5 pick, we should draft Okung....then trade back into the late 1st round and take Colt McCoy (future Aaron Rogers).

[tryfuhl]

How does a center get progressively worse at his snaps? Our Tackles wouldn't even be guards elsewhere.

What do we see in Montgomery vs Rinehart?

[skinsguy]

Simply amazing how bad this OL is. No running lanes at all, pass protection is shotty. This is going to sound bad because I have lots of respect for Buges, but man, this is starting to remind me of the OL we had when Spurrier was here. Campbell is past shell shock.

[MTK]

I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.

Don't get me wrong, I agree. But unfortunately, it does look bad on Buges because you know the front office expects miracles from him. I agree though, when you have no talent to work with, how do you expect to have them playing past expectations?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.

Well, I sort of understand what he's trying to do, but if the argument is that a coach is responsible for putting players in a position to succeed, it's hard to argue that he's doing a good job.

You have Heyer, a decent RT who the team is trying to turn into a LT with little success. You have Rinehart, who is riding the bench for no really good reason, while Montgomery plays (terribly). You have Dockery and Rabach, who are the status quo at LG, and C, the common links on a bad line. And how much of the blame for Mike Williams should sit with him. Mike's been decent given the expectations, but that's not helping us win ball games.

Bugel shouldn't be expected to fix all the problems that are ailing us, especially when the backs are missing so many blocks, but this line is no better than it was 4 weeks ago, and that's a problem.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I sort of understand what he's trying to do, but if the argument is that a coach is responsible for putting players in a position to succeed, it's hard to argue that he's doing a good job.

You have Heyer, a decent RT who the team is trying to turn into a LT with little success. You have Rinehart, who is riding the bench for no really good reason, while Montgomery plays (terribly). You have Dockery and Rabach, who are the status quo at LG, and C, the common links on a bad line. And how much of the blame for Mike Williams should sit with him. Mike's been decent given the expectations, but that's not helping us win ball games.

Bugel shouldn't be expected to fix all the problems that are ailing us, especially when the backs are missing so many blocks, but this line is no better than it was 4 weeks ago, and that's a problem.

Is it Bugel picking who starts where? It's hard to say where any of the decisions come from in this organization.

[jdlea]

I said it in the other thread. It's starting to look like 03 when it was open season on Ramsey. At least JC has some wheels, Collins might actually die back there.

[MTK]

Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?

If we spend a 1st on an OT, I would think he'd eventually be moved to LT, but yeah if Levi could hold that down in the meantime it would certainly make rebuilding easier.

I think 3 new starters is realistic, 1 in fa & 2 in the draft, assuming that high picks are used for o line. I just wonder if they won't use the 1st or 2nd on a rb. I would love to see CJ Spiller in b & g, but would hate to see him taken in the 1st.