the years down the road

wilsowilso · 11-12-2009, 10:54 PM

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Ruhskins · 11-12-2009, 11:04 PM

Man, this is what happens when people play the franchise mode in Madden too long.

Bill B · 11-12-2009, 11:33 PM

SKinster,

You make a god overview analysis of the major problem the Skins have in that there is not enough youth and the teams major contributors are getting old and eventually thie effectiveness is likely to decline - remember everyone the average NFL career is 3.4 years so those pushing over 30 are defying the odds.

First, if we don't get the best GM money can buy it won't matter how many picks you have - so Synder must take the necessary step of making this change to the front office.

Second, in your analysis you did not include undrafted free agent pickups. Yes having as many draft picks as possible is what the Skins desperately need, but if you have a great GM and Front Office they can find a couple of players every year that were not highly ranked in draft publications or by Mel Kiper to build depth and hopefully contribute sooner or later as a starter. When you look at the rosters of a lot of teams that are consistently at the top you find that some of their key players were not in the top 10 of the draft and some were undrafted.

Third, the Skins can and should start focusing more on mid-level free agents. Instead of spending their whole wad on one or two big name free agents they should focus on collecting a ton of mid level guys. More players brought in increases the chance the team will be able to sustain its competitiveness to the eventually injuries. And lets stop kidding ourselves that we or any team will get through the season withour a couple of major injuries.

Fourth, I am one of the believers that good offensive and defensive lines make the other players like QB's, WR's, RB's, LB's and DB's better. I think in the SKins case Thomas and Kelly would look a lot better if we had a line equivilent to the Hogs. Same with Portis at RB - look at how often Portis has to scratch for every yard he gains. When he was in Denver it looked so much easier for him (although his speed has declined since then but not that much). So, I think the Skins need to really focus on fortifying their offensive line first and also keep adding a Dlineman every year or so to deal with the eventually loss of Griffin and Daniels.

Coff · 11-13-2009, 07:38 AM

I think your breakdown paints a very accurate picture of the state of the team for the next three years, but if the problem is approached effectively then we could easily be a very good team in three years.
It’s been stated and restated ad naseum, we need to build through the draft, and that’s why we're in the mess we’re in. So first and for most, the team must absolutely stop trading away draft picks no matter what. We can’t accept anymore Jason Taylors or TJ Duckets. We use the draft well and in three years we’ll have a solid base for a team, with appropriate depth.
Lets not forget, a lot of the players you mentioned, a lot of the talent we have, was acquired through free agency, and those players can be replaced via free agency easier then they have been in the past because we’re approaching an uncapped year, and might be seeing the end of the salary cap altogether. I know that we’re all skeptical of building through free agency, but when done well, when used to supplement the draft, free agency is very useful.
In addition, many of the players in and around 30 (Moss, Carter, etc) do not have to be replaced immediately, so they will still be useful in three years. In five or six? No, but that gives us more than three years to replace them.
So basically, I think a strong, solidly built, deep team can be built in three years. Will it? Of course not. Not with Snyderrato.

calia · 11-13-2009, 10:40 AM

We also need a partridge in a pear tree.

Man, that's a lot of players, although there are NFL teams that seem to have a significant number of new faces from year to year and it doesn't kill them (Patriots). They key, as others have observed, is having the management talent to find them and integrate them into the team, and that, sadly, we do not have at the moment.

Schneed10 · 11-13-2009, 10:46 AM

It can be done a bit faster than you think. You're right in saying that within 3 years our roster will need a nearly complete overhaul. But if you build from the trenches first, you can be reasonably successful with moderate talent at the skill positions (NY Jets, Baltimore Ravens).

We need to draft offensive linemen nearly exclusively this April. If we get some strong offensive linemen the offense will suddenly look a lot better. Hopefully whatever management we have next year is smart enough to realize that.

SouperMeister · 11-13-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

It can be done a bit faster than you think. You're right in saying that within 3 years our roster will need a nearly complete overhaul. But if you build from the trenches first, you can be reasonably successful with moderate talent at the skill positions (NY Jets, Baltimore Ravens).

We need to draft offensive linemen nearly exclusively this April. If we get some strong offensive linemen the offense will suddenly look a lot better. Hopefully whatever management we have next year is smart enough to realize that.

Best point in this entire thread. We won a Super Bowl with Mark Rypien at QB and an aging Earnest Byner at RB because we had great line play. Focus on winning in the trenches, and much of the rest will improve dramatically.

MTK · 11-13-2009, 11:20 AM

Of course DT and MK have been disappointing, but the entire offense as a whole has been a failure under Zorn. Typically you're talking about a 3-4 year learning curve for WRs in this league. Behind QB the WR spot is the most difficult to adjust to for rookies. I know it's easy to want to cut them loose after this year but I think you've got to give them one more year.

GMScud · 11-13-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Of course DT and MK have been disappointing, but the entire offense as a whole has been a failure under Zorn. Typically you're talking about a 3-4 year learning curve for WRs in this league. Behind QB the WR spot is the most difficult to adjust to for rookies. I know it's easy to want to cut them loose after this year but I think you've got to give them one more year.

Right, I'm not disagreeing with you, I just said I'm close to being done with them. If they don't come into next year showing a marked improvement, they can be cut loose and I won't bat an eye.

I know it's old, but I have to look at Stan Hixon again here. Effort and route running seem to be a huge issue with this group. For as "talented" as MK and DT supposedly are, they have come nowhere. Coaching? Perhaps.

Eknox · 11-13-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Right, I'm not disagreeing with you, I just said I'm close to being done with them. If they don't come into next year showing a marked improvement, they can be cut loose and I won't bat an eye.

I know it's old, but I have to look at Stan Hixon again here. Effort and route running seem to be a huge issue with this group. For as "talented" as MK and DT supposedly are, they have come nowhere. Coaching? Perhaps.

good point..

Longtimefan · 11-13-2009, 12:00 PM

Hopefull we'll have a new GM to thoughtfully sort through the debris and come up with an acceptable finding. You've incooperated a lot of senerios, some of which will sort themselves out. I agree we do however have some adding as well as subtracting to do, I'm content to watch how it plays out.

GTripp0012 · 11-13-2009, 02:23 PM

It's really not hard to be competitive in 2010 if you decide to do it the right way. The only difference is that you don't really get deterred if the 2010 team isn't as good as you'd like.

Bubba1Putt · 11-13-2009, 09:05 PM

Hint....

Charley Casserly...

and he was soooo wrong on Mario Williams?????

wilsowilso · 11-14-2009, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubba1Putt

Hint....

Charley Casserly...

and he was soooo wrong on Mario Williams?????

Heath Shuler QB TENN
Andre Johnson OT Penn State

Welcome to the board.

Mr. Casserly

djnemo65 · 11-14-2009, 03:27 AM

Dude, that's what rebuilding is, conceding that you need to start the team over essentially. It's not like we are the first team ever to go through this. I agree that we don't have a great foundation at this point but teams have turned around less in less than 3 years before. As bad as we are we're not worse than the 07 Dolphins, who went on to win their division the following year.

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Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,372	Re: the years down the road Man, this is what happens when people play the franchise mode in Madden too long. __________________ R.I.P. #21

11-12-2009, 11:33 PM	#3
Bill B Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 721	Re: the years down the road SKinster, You make a god overview analysis of the major problem the Skins have in that there is not enough youth and the teams major contributors are getting old and eventually thie effectiveness is likely to decline - remember everyone the average NFL career is 3.4 years so those pushing over 30 are defying the odds. First, if we don't get the best GM money can buy it won't matter how many picks you have - so Synder must take the necessary step of making this change to the front office. Second, in your analysis you did not include undrafted free agent pickups. Yes having as many draft picks as possible is what the Skins desperately need, but if you have a great GM and Front Office they can find a couple of players every year that were not highly ranked in draft publications or by Mel Kiper to build depth and hopefully contribute sooner or later as a starter. When you look at the rosters of a lot of teams that are consistently at the top you find that some of their key players were not in the top 10 of the draft and some were undrafted. Third, the Skins can and should start focusing more on mid-level free agents. Instead of spending their whole wad on one or two big name free agents they should focus on collecting a ton of mid level guys. More players brought in increases the chance the team will be able to sustain its competitiveness to the eventually injuries. And lets stop kidding ourselves that we or any team will get through the season withour a couple of major injuries. Fourth, I am one of the believers that good offensive and defensive lines make the other players like QB's, WR's, RB's, LB's and DB's better. I think in the SKins case Thomas and Kelly would look a lot better if we had a line equivilent to the Hogs. Same with Portis at RB - look at how often Portis has to scratch for every yard he gains. When he was in Denver it looked so much easier for him (although his speed has declined since then but not that much). So, I think the Skins need to really focus on fortifying their offensive line first and also keep adding a Dlineman every year or so to deal with the eventually loss of Griffin and Daniels.

11-13-2009, 07:38 AM	#4
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 687	Re: the years down the road I think your breakdown paints a very accurate picture of the state of the team for the next three years, but if the problem is approached effectively then we could easily be a very good team in three years. It’s been stated and restated ad naseum, we need to build through the draft, and that’s why we're in the mess we’re in. So first and for most, the team must absolutely stop trading away draft picks no matter what. We can’t accept anymore Jason Taylors or TJ Duckets. We use the draft well and in three years we’ll have a solid base for a team, with appropriate depth. Lets not forget, a lot of the players you mentioned, a lot of the talent we have, was acquired through free agency, and those players can be replaced via free agency easier then they have been in the past because we’re approaching an uncapped year, and might be seeing the end of the salary cap altogether. I know that we’re all skeptical of building through free agency, but when done well, when used to supplement the draft, free agency is very useful. In addition, many of the players in and around 30 (Moss, Carter, etc) do not have to be replaced immediately, so they will still be useful in three years. In five or six? No, but that gives us more than three years to replace them. So basically, I think a strong, solidly built, deep team can be built in three years. Will it? Of course not. Not with Snyderrato.

11-13-2009, 10:40 AM	#5
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 57 Posts: 3,656	Re: the years down the road We also need a partridge in a pear tree. Man, that's a lot of players, although there are NFL teams that seem to have a significant number of new faces from year to year and it doesn't kill them (Patriots). They key, as others have observed, is having the management talent to find them and integrate them into the team, and that, sadly, we do not have at the moment.

11-13-2009, 10:46 AM	#6
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,448	Re: the years down the road It can be done a bit faster than you think. You're right in saying that within 3 years our roster will need a nearly complete overhaul. But if you build from the trenches first, you can be reasonably successful with moderate talent at the skill positions (NY Jets, Baltimore Ravens). We need to draft offensive linemen nearly exclusively this April. If we get some strong offensive linemen the offense will suddenly look a lot better. Hopefully whatever management we have next year is smart enough to realize that. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

11-13-2009, 11:20 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,790	Re: the years down the road Of course DT and MK have been disappointing, but the entire offense as a whole has been a failure under Zorn. Typically you're talking about a 3-4 year learning curve for WRs in this league. Behind QB the WR spot is the most difficult to adjust to for rookies. I know it's easy to want to cut them loose after this year but I think you've got to give them one more year. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-13-2009, 12:00 PM	#11
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: the years down the road Hopefull we'll have a new GM to thoughtfully sort through the debris and come up with an acceptable finding. You've incooperated a lot of senerios, some of which will sort themselves out. I agree we do however have some adding as well as subtracting to do, I'm content to watch how it plays out.

11-13-2009, 02:23 PM	#12
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: the years down the road It's really not hard to be competitive in 2010 if you decide to do it the right way. The only difference is that you don't really get deterred if the 2010 team isn't as good as you'd like. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-13-2009, 09:05 PM	#13
Bubba1Putt Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MS Posts: 5	Re: the years down the road Hint.... Charley Casserly... and he was soooo wrong on Mario Williams?????

11-14-2009, 03:27 AM	#15
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: the years down the road Dude, that's what rebuilding is, conceding that you need to start the team over essentially. It's not like we are the first team ever to go through this. I agree that we don't have a great foundation at this point but teams have turned around less in less than 3 years before. As bad as we are we're not worse than the 07 Dolphins, who went on to win their division the following year.

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