Execution Sucks!

djnemo65 · 11-21-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Yeah, but we have Portis and Coles. Whethere they are as good as riggins and monk is debatable, but i think improvement from week to week is a reasonable expectation.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:48 PM

Arrrrrgghhhh, so Gibbs' play calling was a good move for the most part? Dagonnit RF you are confusing person to figure out!

Matty just echoed pretty much what I said on the *cough cough* "Hey Joe Gibbs...New Playbook" in that Gibbs kept the play calling conservative to save Ramsey's neck and hopefully his confidence while giving him a few options to go long. True, the short passes are not as exciting, but hey the more of those Ramsey completes the more confidence he builds and the more comfortable he gets. I think it was a pretty good move.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

Then they need to start executing as such. How many drops have we seen from these receivers this year? I think Portis IS our offense, but even he has dropped many passes. Samuels has been the only consistant I've noticed.

LadyT · 11-21-2004, 10:51 PM

Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative.

The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . .

It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays.

But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living.

Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same.

For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:53 PM

Skinsguy,

I never said that Gibbs shouldn't have been conservative. I said I never expected it to be THAT conservative. It's a matter of degrees.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:56 PM

He gave Ramsey plays to go downfield...but he has to hit those guys and those guys have to get open downfield on a consistant basis too. I don't really think the play calling was overly conservative and I think it will become less conservative each week to bring Ramsey along slowly and to keep his confidence up. If Ramsey is going to be our guy, then he needs to be playing top notch football by the end of this season and take that into next year.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Then they need to start executing as such. How many drops have we seen from these receivers this year? I think Portis IS our offense, but even he has dropped many passes. Samuels has been the only consistant I've noticed.

Coles has one BAD game. I'm not sure if you ever knew this, but he played with a dislocated finger after getting whacked by Roy Williams. If you think Coles is inconsistent then your standards are WAY too high.

Portis had one dropped pass tonight. Again, if that is really bad, I think your standards are too high.

Gardner is the only guy on the team who had too many drops. Nevertheless, Ramsey completed something like 60+% of his passes so its not like the recievers were dropping everything coming their way.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

He gave Ramsey plays to go downfield...but he has to hit those guys and those guys have to get open downfield on a consistant basis too. I don't really think the play calling was overly conservative and I think it will become less conservative each week to bring Ramsey along slowly and to keep his confidence up. If Ramsey is going to be our guy, then he needs to be playing top notch football by the end of this season and take that into next year.

Skinsguy,

Are you serious when you say the playcalling wasn't overly conservative? Is there anyone who will second that opinion?

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 11:00 PM

I don't really care if no one seconds that opinion..that is my opinion. The conservative play calling got us down the field in the first half just fine and kept the Eagles' O off the field. Wouldn't you want the Eagles' O off the field as much as possible?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:01 PM

I did want the Eagles O off the field, but I'd also like a side of points to go along with that dish.

offiss · 11-21-2004, 11:03 PM

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but there is a larger problem in gameplanning that persists. Also, someone needs to tell Gibbs that third and three is not a running down in today's NFL. How many times this year have we been stuffed in that situation.

3rd and 3, or 4th and 3 inches! :frusty:

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I did want the Eagles O off the field, but I'd also like a side of points to go along with that dish.

Sure we all do, and when Portis starts ripping off 60+ yard runs on a consistant bases and when Ramsey starts throwing accurate passes downfield on a consistant bases and when the receivers catch the ball on a consistant bases then you'll have a side of points to go along with your dish.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:08 PM

Ramsey completed what 63% of his passes?

Maybe Portis isn't ripping off 60+ yards because: (1) no one rips off 60+ yards on a consistent basis, (2) Gibbs' offense is so predictable and has no deep threat that Portis is getting stuffed on every run.

Our recieving corps is one of the best in the league.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Ramsey completed what 63% of his passes?

(2) Gibbs' offense is so predictable and has no deep threat that Portis is getting stuffed on every run.

Our recieving corps is one of the best in the league.

I'm sorry, but I don't think our receiving corps is nearly the best in the league. They haven't played like it this year. They have been inconsistant. They have made some good plays, but they've dropped alot of passes.

Why do you think Ramsey completed 63% of his passes? The majority of those passes were short passes.

11-21-2004, 10:48 PM	#18
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Arrrrrgghhhh, so Gibbs' play calling was a good move for the most part? Dagonnit RF you are confusing person to figure out! Matty just echoed pretty much what I said on the cough cough "Hey Joe Gibbs...New Playbook" in that Gibbs kept the play calling conservative to save Ramsey's neck and hopefully his confidence while giving him a few options to go long. True, the short passes are not as exciting, but hey the more of those Ramsey completes the more confidence he builds and the more comfortable he gets. I think it was a pretty good move.

11-21-2004, 10:51 PM	#20
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative. The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . . It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays. But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living. Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same. For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

11-21-2004, 10:53 PM	#21
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Skinsguy, I never said that Gibbs shouldn't have been conservative. I said I never expected it to be THAT conservative. It's a matter of degrees.

11-21-2004, 10:56 PM	#22
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	He gave Ramsey plays to go downfield...but he has to hit those guys and those guys have to get open downfield on a consistant basis too. I don't really think the play calling was overly conservative and I think it will become less conservative each week to bring Ramsey along slowly and to keep his confidence up. If Ramsey is going to be our guy, then he needs to be playing top notch football by the end of this season and take that into next year.

11-21-2004, 11:00 PM	#25
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I don't really care if no one seconds that opinion..that is my opinion. The conservative play calling got us down the field in the first half just fine and kept the Eagles' O off the field. Wouldn't you want the Eagles' O off the field as much as possible?

11-21-2004, 11:01 PM	#26
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	I did want the Eagles O off the field, but I'd also like a side of points to go along with that dish.

11-21-2004, 11:08 PM	#29
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Ramsey completed what 63% of his passes? Maybe Portis isn't ripping off 60+ yards because: (1) no one rips off 60+ yards on a consistent basis, (2) Gibbs' offense is so predictable and has no deep threat that Portis is getting stuffed on every run. Our recieving corps is one of the best in the league.

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