Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone?

GTripp0012 · 11-11-2010, 07:00 PM

Alexander's a good pass rusher, but we seem to prefer to drop him into coverage in most downs, so that's one reason our pass rush is down: coverage-first mentality.

Still, any team rushing four should get there more than the Redskins are.

The best hypothesis is that Carter's performance from 2009 was just irreplaceable, no matter what you think of the 4-3/3-4 situation. We just weren't going to be able to replace that performance with a replacement or an older version of Carter. We were going to have to find that sack production elsewhere, and we just havent yet.

SirClintonPortis · 11-11-2010, 08:11 PM

Golston was a mediocre DT with little pass rushing skills to begin with.

Carriker is a big space eater. Rushing the passer is not his priority.

Kemo is just supposed to plug the middle for the LBs. He's only recently been warming up. I only see him as something to just push the center, not get sacks.

skinsfan69 · 11-11-2010, 09:25 PM

We simply don't have any pass rushers outside of Orakpo and AH. I think we need one more guy in there that can be disruptive. I thougth Wilson would be that guy but so far he hasn't even had enough playing time. AC is what he is...kind of an average pass rusher. Bottom line is it's going to take time for Haslett to get the type of personel he needs for this defense.

CultBrennan59 · 11-11-2010, 09:45 PM

Honestly, have we ever had a great consistent pass rush? Rak is the only and closest thing to a dominate pass rusher which we have.

freddyg12 · 11-12-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Honestly, have we ever had a great consistent pass rush? Rak is the only and closest thing to a dominate pass rusher which we have.

Is this question posed in terms of recent years? If so, I'd say the GW years were pretty good, prior to that I have to go back to the Petitbon era when we had some good DEs, Mann & Manley.

Last year AC & Rak put up some numbers & if nothing else showed that if the coverage is good they can get there. This year I cringe about every time we blitz cause it seems the pct. always favors the O.

AC is still a good pass rusher but as GT points out, he is sharing reps.

CultBrennan59 · 11-12-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

Is this question posed in terms of recent years? If so, I'd say the GW years were pretty good, prior to that I have to go back to the Petitbon era when we had some good DEs, Mann & Manley.

Last year AC & Rak put up some numbers & if nothing else showed that if the coverage is good they can get there. This year I cringe about every time we blitz cause it seems the pct. always favors the O.

AC is still a good pass rusher but as GT points out, he is sharing reps.

Well I feel that in past years, our Dline has gotten us sacks, yes, but when the opposing team has a last chance to win it drive, our pass rush just disappears. The Greg Williams years overall, our pass rush wasn't that good to be honest, from what I remember. We have always had a problem getting to Romo, and against the Colts this year we had problems, especially when a team like the eagles had a good amount of sacks on Manning. If I were a D-Coordinator, I'd be running us with a 4-2-5 defense.

Put Andre Carter--Albert Haynesworth--Gholston--Orakpo as our DL

Rocky and London as our LB's

Carlos--DHall--LaRon--KMoore--and Doughty(would be Horton but he's on IR) as our secondary, and have Laron be that in the box type safety/the other LB.

MTK · 11-11-2010, 10:28 PM

AC is due

The Goat · 11-12-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

AC is due

? Due what? To get back to RDE in a solid 4-3 defense lol?

GTripp0012 · 11-11-2010, 11:05 PM

Landry is an excellent pass rusher. If he played a 3-4 OLB, he'd be an absolute terror to block. But if Landry plays in the box, not just up on the line but actually in a gap, then you need to play both Doughty and Moore. And that's just not the best use of this team's personnel.

We need a real free safety, badly. It's our biggest defensive need.

The Goat · 11-12-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Landry is an excellent pass rusher. If he played a 3-4 OLB, he'd be an absolute terror to block. But if Landry plays in the box, not just up on the line but actually in a gap, then you need to play both Doughty and Moore. And that's just not the best use of this team's personnel.

We need a real free safety, badly. It's our biggest defensive need.

Word to this. What sucks is we need FS AND probably a few other new pieces to make this defense tops in the league. If we ran the 4-3 still, with last year's personnel held over OR the current personnel, all we'd need is a FS and probably be elite...

...can't help but be sour on this. If Shanny sticks w/ the 3-4 and we do develop into a great defense that way I'll adjust. If Shanny dumps Haslett and the new guy switches back or otherwise takes the group a different direction I'll be effing irate.

SirClintonPortis · 11-13-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Landry is an excellent pass rusher. If he played a 3-4 OLB, he'd be an absolute terror to block. But if Landry plays in the box, not just up on the line but actually in a gap, then you need to play both Doughty and Moore. And that's just not the best use of this team's personnel.

We need a real free safety, badly. It's our biggest defensive need.

Well, we gave the Eagles Nate Allen for a 1 to 3 year rental. Hackcoughhack. I'm a moron for being so hyped up about the McNabb trade.

SmootSmack · 11-15-2010, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Well, we gave the Eagles Nate Allen for a 1 to 3 year rental. Hackcoughhack. I'm a moron for being so hyped up about the McNabb trade.

I was a big proponent on drafting Allen last winter, and I think he's going to haveva strong career. But it isn't really accurate to say we gave them Allen Even though they took him with our pick

SirClintonPortis · 11-15-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was a big proponent on drafting Allen last winter, and I think he's going to haveva strong career. But it isn't really accurate to say we gave them Allen Even though they took him with our pick

In the sense that we could have taken someone else with that pick, then yes. But even so, we did give away someone to another team. Taylor Mays to SF, Lamarr Houston to Oakland, etc.

SmootSmack · 11-15-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

In the sense that we could have taken someone else with that pick, then yes. But even so, we did give away someone to another team. Taylor Mays to SF, Lamarr Houston to Oakland, etc.

I suppose if you want to look at it that way, doesn't really seem fair though

30gut · 11-13-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We need a real free safety, badly. It's our biggest defensive need.

Why? B/c Landry is a good blitzer?
Reed and Moore and even Horton if he wasn't hurt are good blitzers in their owm right not as dynamic as Landry but still good.
If you worried about coverage when a S is pass blitzing drop Landry in coverage and rush with another S.

I'm happy with our safeties.
Our biggest defensive need?
LOLB,NT, 3-4 DE and 3rd CB are imo far bigger needs then S

11-11-2010, 07:00 PM	#1
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone? Alexander's a good pass rusher, but we seem to prefer to drop him into coverage in most downs, so that's one reason our pass rush is down: coverage-first mentality. Still, any team rushing four should get there more than the Redskins are. The best hypothesis is that Carter's performance from 2009 was just irreplaceable, no matter what you think of the 4-3/3-4 situation. We just weren't going to be able to replace that performance with a replacement or an older version of Carter. We were going to have to find that sack production elsewhere, and we just havent yet. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-11-2010, 08:11 PM	#2
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone? Golston was a mediocre DT with little pass rushing skills to begin with. Carriker is a big space eater. Rushing the passer is not his priority. Kemo is just supposed to plug the middle for the LBs. He's only recently been warming up. I only see him as something to just push the center, not get sacks. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

11-11-2010, 09:25 PM	#3
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone? We simply don't have any pass rushers outside of Orakpo and AH. I think we need one more guy in there that can be disruptive. I thougth Wilson would be that guy but so far he hasn't even had enough playing time. AC is what he is...kind of an average pass rusher. Bottom line is it's going to take time for Haslett to get the type of personel he needs for this defense.

11-11-2010, 09:45 PM	#4
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone? Honestly, have we ever had a great consistent pass rush? Rak is the only and closest thing to a dominate pass rusher which we have. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

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11-11-2010, 11:05 PM	#9
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone? Landry is an excellent pass rusher. If he played a 3-4 OLB, he'd be an absolute terror to block. But if Landry plays in the box, not just up on the line but actually in a gap, then you need to play both Doughty and Moore. And that's just not the best use of this team's personnel. We need a real free safety, badly. It's our biggest defensive need. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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