One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins

That Guy · 07-26-2011, 02:40 AM

we should look at 2nd tier WRs. moss wants back. the jets are making holmes priority #1... so we should scoop edwards out instead, that way we can still get a guy that can't stay off the police blotter, but at a much friendlier price. Plax could be a steal too :P

honestly, between moss AA cooley and hankerson/fred davis/kelly/austin/etc we can do alright. If we don't have a DL worth two dams or we're missing a starting CB, we won't be winning much. we need at least one BIG upgrade on the OL too, preferably so we ditch rabach.

SBXVII · 07-26-2011, 06:52 AM

I'm not saying we need Holms, but we do need a #1 WR. Some would say we drafted one, and I would agree and "hope" one works out, but great teams don't go into the season with hope. They go into the season with a plan.

1st- I'd contact whatever OL FA's that are available.
2nd- I'd contact FA CB's in case we let Rogers go.
3rd- I'd look to any other defensive players that could help the team.
4rth- I'd think about picking up a UFDA QB.

I know, I know my #4 is a bold statement. But if Grossman is resigned then the team won't be too horrid even if I let Beck start. So I think I'd bring in a young Rookie and try them out. If they didn't work out then next year we still can draft a QB, either trade up or look to FA.

SBXVII · 07-26-2011, 06:59 AM

Ooops, lol, I failed to throw in the fact I'd still contact a WR. Who is out there that are #1's? I think the Junkies mentioned Braylon Edwards, Holmes, and Sidney Rice. They liked the idea of Rice because he's the youngest of the bunch and most physical.

Basically I'd contact the agents of all positions OL, WR, CB, and whatever other defensive positions needed. Its easier to contact the agents and say "hey we are interested come talk to us", most agents know if they can't get a good price out of us they can drive up the cost to other teams by using the Redskins name. So I'm pretty sure if any agents are contacted then players will be holding out until Friday or atleast untill after they talk with the Skins to see what the Skins will pay for them to use against their current team or other interested teams.

SBXVII · 07-26-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

we should look at 2nd tier WRs. moss wants back. the jets are making holmes priority #1... so we should scoop edwards out instead, that way we can still get a guy that can't stay off the police blotter, but at a much friendlier price. Plax could be a steal too :P

honestly, between moss AA cooley and hankerson/fred davis/kelly/austin/etc we can do alright. If we don't have a DL worth two dams or we're missing a starting CB, we won't be winning much. we need at least one BIG upgrade on the OL too, preferably so we ditch rabach.

I agree with you here except with Kelly. It's one thing to think "hey we already have a player on the team who can contribute" it's another to think he will actually play when he has not been able to stay healthy since drafted. I go back to my "hope" statement. I'd rather go into the season with Plax, Edwards, Holmes, or Rice and be pleasantly supprised if Kelly stayed healthy and we had two awsome weapons to compliment Moss and AA, or even more weapons if the Rookies pan out then to go into the season thinking.... we have Moss, AA, the Rookies, and hopefully Kelly steps up because if he doesn't step up like in the past we are sitting in a bad spot just like last year with only to decent weapons in Moss and AA.

Speaking of Moss, we could probably get the other Moss cheap also.... imagine the Moss/Moss threat. Say what you will about R.Moss but he's a hard worker and would show the young guys what they need to do to be great. Even if its just for a one year deal. I might even think about T.O. for a 1 yr deal only because he's worth his weight in gold his first yr and he has a great work ethic that our rookies could stand to pick up, then let him go.

SmootSmack · 07-26-2011, 07:39 AM

I keep hearing Santonio from basically one source repeated several times, but I hear Rice and Jones from several sources. Not sure which if any are going to happen.

SBXVII · 07-26-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I keep hearing Santonio from basically one source repeated several times, but I hear Rice and Jones from several sources. Not sure which if any are going to happen.

I know people have issue's with the idea of Plax or R.Moss but if reports are true with R.Moss being in tip top shape and if Plax is ready to reprove himself then they would be cheap pick ups and KS's system is a pass happy system which should make them happy to want to come here over other teams who might be more run oriented.

#56fanatic · 07-26-2011, 08:53 AM

I have been saying since the word was out we were looking at Holmes that we should stay away from him. He and Moss seem to be the exact same players. Yes Holmes is younger, but Moss has been a great Redskins, had the most productive year of his career last year, and will come a whole hell of a lot cheaper than Holmes. I just dont see where we need to bring him in. Why not let our younger guys play? Armstrong had a decent year. Kelly (often injured) has had a ton of time to heal and learn and if he is healthy, I see him as a HUGE contributer. Terrence Austin is another guy that can use some playing time. And the two rookies we have, Hankerson being one that can start. We need to develop our younger guys and let them play. Its all about the Oline. If they get this shored up and solid, the QB can git these guys and be very productive. Look at the Pats, Saints. THey have a very pass happy offense and have found some very good quality, and some great receivers by letting them go out and play. We NEVER do that. We dont need another big name receiver, we need good Olineman.

KLHJ2 · 07-26-2011, 09:19 AM

Because we all know Cold, Hard, football facts win Championships.pfff

We need help everywhere and that includes WR. We haven't a 2 WR threat since the early 90's.

In my opinion the defenses lack luster stats can be attributed to the new system just as much as lack of talent...same for the oline.

The point is when you are hurting in this many areas you need to find as much talent as you can whereever you can find it. I don't see any marquis offensive or defensive lineman nor a quarterback available in free agency. Might as well take a shot where the talent is available. It's not like we are giving up draft picks to sign FA's. It's not your check book either so let em have at it.

NC_Skins · 07-26-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I keep hearing Santonio from basically one source repeated several times, but I hear Rice and Jones from several sources. Not sure which if any are going to happen.

Smoot knows what's up. A tweet from another insider below.

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Holmes looks to be a smoke screen and a good one. ALOT of talk involving Rice this evening like pre lockout. Back at it early AM GN.

Jontrem · 07-26-2011, 10:25 AM

I would rather have rice than holmes so I hope the tweet mentioned above pans out! Thank god for being able to talk about actual football again!

SouperMeister · 07-26-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Holmes is an excellent WR...but I don't believe WR should be a priority of ours, and I'm reluctant to bring in a guy one bad move away from a lengthy suspension.

Shouldn't be our first priority in my opinion

Totally agree. Allen made WR a priority in the draft, and added significant depth at the position. I would be more interested in re-signing Moss to man the slot, and hopefully Malcolm Kelly will finally stay healthy enough to contribute. I prefer to see OL and CB as priorities. I'm also fine if the FO opts to re-sign Rogers for reasonable money.

sandtrapjack · 07-26-2011, 10:48 AM

I have heard on more than one talk radio program, that "Holmes to the Skins" may be one of those "discussions" that took place under cloak and dagger during the lockout and no one would be surprised if there was not a "handshake" deal in place for when the lockout ended.

Say what you want about Holmes, he made Rothlesberger a star though.

takethecake · 07-26-2011, 10:51 AM

So for those who don't want Holmes, it looks like these are the reasons:

A) Costly
B) Off-the-field issues
C) Not that much better than Moss
D) Want to give our young receivers a shot
E) WR is not a priority

Are some of these concerns mitigated if we go for Rice instead?

And for the record, I'm not really that convinced by reason E just because we have a ton of cap space this year and can afford to go after a lot of different players if there are good options available.

SkinzWin · 07-26-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by takethecake

So for those who don't want Holmes, it looks like these are the reasons:

A) Costly
B) Off-the-field issues
C) Not that much better than Moss
D) Want to give our young receivers a shot
E) WR is not a priority

Are some of these concerns mitigated if we go for Rice instead?

And for the record, I'm not really that convinced by reason E just because we have a ton of cap space this year and can afford to go after a lot of different players if there are good options available.

Disagree with C.

That Guy · 07-26-2011, 10:54 AM

we had a good passing offense last year, we dont really NEED a WR (if we sign moss), but having a 4th option (after moss AA cooley) would be great if it's cheap, and we can afford a cheap deal that doesn't work out, hence mentioning plax or the like.

save cash for CB/DL/OL.

07-26-2011, 02:40 AM	#16
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins we should look at 2nd tier WRs. moss wants back. the jets are making holmes priority #1... so we should scoop edwards out instead, that way we can still get a guy that can't stay off the police blotter, but at a much friendlier price. Plax could be a steal too :P honestly, between moss AA cooley and hankerson/fred davis/kelly/austin/etc we can do alright. If we don't have a DL worth two dams or we're missing a starting CB, we won't be winning much. we need at least one BIG upgrade on the OL too, preferably so we ditch rabach.

07-26-2011, 06:52 AM	#17
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins I'm not saying we need Holms, but we do need a #1 WR. Some would say we drafted one, and I would agree and "hope" one works out, but great teams don't go into the season with hope. They go into the season with a plan. 1st- I'd contact whatever OL FA's that are available. 2nd- I'd contact FA CB's in case we let Rogers go. 3rd- I'd look to any other defensive players that could help the team. 4rth- I'd think about picking up a UFDA QB. I know, I know my #4 is a bold statement. But if Grossman is resigned then the team won't be too horrid even if I let Beck start. So I think I'd bring in a young Rookie and try them out. If they didn't work out then next year we still can draft a QB, either trade up or look to FA.

07-26-2011, 06:59 AM	#18
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins Ooops, lol, I failed to throw in the fact I'd still contact a WR. Who is out there that are #1's? I think the Junkies mentioned Braylon Edwards, Holmes, and Sidney Rice. They liked the idea of Rice because he's the youngest of the bunch and most physical. Basically I'd contact the agents of all positions OL, WR, CB, and whatever other defensive positions needed. Its easier to contact the agents and say "hey we are interested come talk to us", most agents know if they can't get a good price out of us they can drive up the cost to other teams by using the Redskins name. So I'm pretty sure if any agents are contacted then players will be holding out until Friday or atleast untill after they talk with the Skins to see what the Skins will pay for them to use against their current team or other interested teams.

07-26-2011, 07:39 AM	#20
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins I keep hearing Santonio from basically one source repeated several times, but I hear Rice and Jones from several sources. Not sure which if any are going to happen. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-26-2011, 08:53 AM	#22
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins I have been saying since the word was out we were looking at Holmes that we should stay away from him. He and Moss seem to be the exact same players. Yes Holmes is younger, but Moss has been a great Redskins, had the most productive year of his career last year, and will come a whole hell of a lot cheaper than Holmes. I just dont see where we need to bring him in. Why not let our younger guys play? Armstrong had a decent year. Kelly (often injured) has had a ton of time to heal and learn and if he is healthy, I see him as a HUGE contributer. Terrence Austin is another guy that can use some playing time. And the two rookies we have, Hankerson being one that can start. We need to develop our younger guys and let them play. Its all about the Oline. If they get this shored up and solid, the QB can git these guys and be very productive. Look at the Pats, Saints. THey have a very pass happy offense and have found some very good quality, and some great receivers by letting them go out and play. We NEVER do that. We dont need another big name receiver, we need good Olineman.

07-26-2011, 09:19 AM	#23
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins Because we all know Cold, Hard, football facts win Championships.pfff We need help everywhere and that includes WR. We haven't a 2 WR threat since the early 90's. In my opinion the defenses lack luster stats can be attributed to the new system just as much as lack of talent...same for the oline. The point is when you are hurting in this many areas you need to find as much talent as you can whereever you can find it. I don't see any marquis offensive or defensive lineman nor a quarterback available in free agency. Might as well take a shot where the talent is available. It's not like we are giving up draft picks to sign FA's. It's not your check book either so let em have at it.

07-26-2011, 10:25 AM	#25
Jontrem Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 608	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins I would rather have rice than holmes so I hope the tweet mentioned above pans out! Thank god for being able to talk about actual football again!

07-26-2011, 10:48 AM	#27
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins I have heard on more than one talk radio program, that "Holmes to the Skins" may be one of those "discussions" that took place under cloak and dagger during the lockout and no one would be surprised if there was not a "handshake" deal in place for when the lockout ended. Say what you want about Holmes, he made Rothlesberger a star though.

07-26-2011, 10:51 AM	#28
takethecake Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 37 Posts: 281	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins So for those who don't want Holmes, it looks like these are the reasons: A) Costly B) Off-the-field issues C) Not that much better than Moss D) Want to give our young receivers a shot E) WR is not a priority Are some of these concerns mitigated if we go for Rice instead? And for the record, I'm not really that convinced by reason E just because we have a ton of cap space this year and can afford to go after a lot of different players if there are good options available.

07-26-2011, 10:54 AM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins we had a good passing offense last year, we dont really NEED a WR (if we sign moss), but having a 4th option (after moss AA cooley) would be great if it's cheap, and we can afford a cheap deal that doesn't work out, hence mentioning plax or the like. save cash for CB/DL/OL.

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