One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins

[sportscurmudgeon]

You can write this off as one man's opinion - - or even as some guy who just loves to bash Danny Boy Snyder although I have no evidence that he does that routinely.

However, his logic says that the Skins would be better served worrying about signing other potential free agents.

I happen to agree that while WR is hardly an area of great strength on this team, there are far more important segments of the team that need improving before worrying about WR.

Worth reading - - and of course reacting to...


Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Santonio to 'Skins? Just say no, Dan Snyder

[SmootSmack]

I think Holmes is an excellent WR...but I don't believe WR should be a priority of ours, and I'm reluctant to bring in a guy one bad move away from a lengthy suspension.

Shouldn't be our first priority in my opinion

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Holmes is an excellent WR...but I don't believe WR should be a priority of ours, and I'm reluctant to bring in a guy one bad move away from a lengthy suspension.

Shouldn't be our first priority in my opinion

Agreed. One bad move away from a lengthy suspension, and he's going to cost a lot. I personally don't think he's an excellent WR. Above average for sure though. I clipped this from an article on ESPN Insider about the 10 riskiest FA's:

7. WR Santonio Holmes

Santonio Holmes

#10 WR
New York Jets

2010 STATS

• Rec52
• Yds746
• TD6
• Avg14.3
• Long52
• YAC229

Many focus on Holmes' off-field issues (detailed here), but his vertical receiving inconsistency could be just as much of a concern.
He is thought to be an elite downfield threat, but his 10.3 vertical YPA and 11.3 stretch vertical YPA ranked 46th and 50th, respectively, last season. This isn't the first time his ranking here has been subpar, as his 9.2 vertical YPA in 2008 ranked 56th in the league.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Holmes is an excellent WR...but I don't believe WR should be a priority of ours, and I'm reluctant to bring in a guy one bad move away from a lengthy suspension.

Shouldn't be our first priority in my opinion

Totally agree. Allen made WR a priority in the draft, and added significant depth at the position. I would be more interested in re-signing Moss to man the slot, and hopefully Malcolm Kelly will finally stay healthy enough to contribute. I prefer to see OL and CB as priorities. I'm also fine if the FO opts to re-sign Rogers for reasonable money.

[takethecake]

So for those who don't want Holmes, it looks like these are the reasons:

A) Costly
B) Off-the-field issues
C) Not that much better than Moss
D) Want to give our young receivers a shot
E) WR is not a priority

Are some of these concerns mitigated if we go for Rice instead?

And for the record, I'm not really that convinced by reason E just because we have a ton of cap space this year and can afford to go after a lot of different players if there are good options available.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by takethecake

So for those who don't want Holmes, it looks like these are the reasons:

A) Costly
B) Off-the-field issues
C) Not that much better than Moss
D) Want to give our young receivers a shot
E) WR is not a priority

Are some of these concerns mitigated if we go for Rice instead?

And for the record, I'm not really that convinced by reason E just because we have a ton of cap space this year and can afford to go after a lot of different players if there are good options available.

Disagree with C.

[MTK]

Good thing Snyder isn't calling the shots.

[Lotus]

Will Hill and Santonio could bring an Amsterdam vibe to the locker room.

[mooby]

I don't want him for plenty of reasons:

We don't have our long term quarterback in place.

We already have a dependable #1 in Santana Moss, who performed fine last year amidst qb disruption, and who has already said he wants to come back.

We definitely have other areas of need that should be a higher priority, like offensive/defensive line.

We need to let our guys at wr like Hank, Paul, Kelly, etc. step up and have the opportunity to prove themselves.

And getting a big play #1 wideout should be a priority once we have our qb of the future in place. Let Moss stay here for another couple seasons, and then look at upgrading.

[SirClintonPortis]

He's certainly a skilled WR who knows how to produce despite having his either a subpar QB or a QB who was sacked a lot.

But he's a better fit on a team more immune to his troubles than we are. We have too many impressionable young guys to consider Holmes.

[musicmaster45]

Yea no lets go rice, moss, or a very low teir wide reciever that may surprise (AA type)

[skinsfaninok]

I don't want Holmes, look at his numbers and it'll show u that he's just avg. He's a little better than moss but not much

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Here we go. Is there any real evidence that we are targeting all of the Jets WR? I truly believe that if we resign Moss and build on what is in the building we are good to go this year at WR.

Like others have said, work on these lines in FA don't worry about the flashy guy. We need grit and grime not splash and dash.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Here we go. Is there any real evidence that we are targeting all of the Jets WR? I truly believe that if we resign Moss and build on what is in the building we are good to go this year at WR.

Like others have said, work on these lines in FA don't worry about the flashy guy. We need grit and grime not splash and dash.

Well, there's no concrete evidence a la Allen or Shanahan saying so, but multiple sources have reported that he's at or near the top of our wish list.

I know Santana is older than Holmes, but he's also been here a long time, would come much cheaper, and is arguably just flat our better than Santonio.

I'd much rather give Santana a 3 year deal than give Holmes a 5 or 6 year deal at a significantly higher premium.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, there's no concrete evidence a la Allen or Shanahan saying so, but multiple sources have reported that he's at or near the top of our wish list.

I know Santana is older than Holmes, but he's also been here a long time, would come much cheaper, and is arguably just flat our better than Santonio.

I'd much rather give Santana a 3 year deal than give Holmes a 5 or 6 year deal at a significantly higher premium.

Age 33 is the wall that very few WRs ever climb. Ochocinco is about to be cut by the Bengals, and he's 33. A 3 year contract is nuttery. Not to mention that Holmes has usually been more efficient than Moss even with a poor QB or poor OL.