Tripoli About to be Taken Over by Rebels

[GusFrerotte]

Yeah, but to who's benefit is Qaddafi's overthrow? The whole thing was orchestrated because Qaddafi was going to nationalize the oil completely. He gave the Libyan people a pretty good deal. A newly married couple got free housing, real cheap food prices, gas prices were ridiculously low. Free college and a car to go with it. I know the guy was a sponsor of terrorism in the 80's, but he pretty much did a 180 from that. Helped the CIA against Al Qaeda, etc. To me we have 3 possible outcomes: an Islamist state, a true pro Western democracy, or just another puppet regime of the West. In two of the 3 cases it will be bad for us. We do not need another Islamist regime so close to Europe, and if we set up a puppet regime, that will take away the freebies, you will eventually get another anti West regime change later on down the road. I can hear those crazy fools yelling "Great Satan" a few years down the road. We really should have let the Europeans handle this, and if they couldn't let them fall. NATO is of no use to the United States anymore, and is a big economic liability.

[GusFrerotte]

The oil is the big thing. Every time the US/UK intervenes, throws a coup or invades, it is about natural resources(oil) or pipelines(Afghanistan). In fact we helped put Qaddafi in charge because King Isidris was going to nationalize the oil. The Iraqi Royal Family was gunned down in a coup for wanting to get a fair shake from BP. And the granddaddy of them all, the 1953 coup against Mossadekh in Iran. Every time someone in the ME want to nationalize or partially nationalize their oil, they get taken down. The new twist to all this is if a ME nation pushes for a diversification of what currency ME oil is bought in. Saddam wanted it to be bought in Euros, the Iranians want the same thing. We already took out Saddam, and are itching to take out Iran. The nuclear crap is just another WMD type fiasco. Enriched uranium at 20% isn't close to being weapons grade, and the Mossad is definitely in there, and will take care of them if they ever did come close to weapons grade uranium/plutonium. They whack nuclear scientists at will in Iran. The fact that Israel now has 6 Dauphin nuclear attack subs from Germany should dispel any fear that the Iranians are going to nuke Israel or anybody else. If the Israelis even have one of those subs fully armed with nukes, they can blackmail the entire ME, in doing their bidding. If they have all 6 armed with nukes, well all bets are off. They would have to power to wipe out entire continents if not the entire globe.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

The oil is the big thing. Every time the US/UK intervenes, throws a coup or invades, it is about natural resources(oil) or pipelines(Afghanistan).

Yes, we're stealing their oil, as reflected by out current absurdly low prices....<rolls_eyes>

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

The new twist to all this is if a ME nation pushes for a diversification of what currency ME oil is bought in. Saddam wanted it to be bought in Euros, the Iranians want the same thing.

Euros? Yes, the Euro is a fine example of 'stable currency'.....<rolls_eyes>

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

We already took out Saddam, and are itching to take out Iran. The nuclear crap is just another WMD type fiasco.

Except for the fact they admit they have more centrifuges than they know what to do with (for civillian purposes), added to the fact they have ICBM technology. Would you want to be Israel and have a psychotic neighbor who's stated intent is to wipe you from the map?

Israel is the only successful democracy in the ME, they deserve our support.

Anyone else concerned at the Muslim Brotherhood being poised to sweep the region?

It won't end well.

[Hog1]

Well........I paid $3.85 at the pump for diesel yesterday. Do you see that going up or down...God, I hope the UK doesn't get all the diesel!

[GusFrerotte]

Hard to tell, but gas went sky high even after we took Iraq, so who knows. Remember now , it is all about monopoly so prices could stay the same or go a bit higher. I doubt BP is going to ramp up production, just take over what Qaddafi nationalized or wanted to.

[mlmpetert]

Obama Topples Gadhafi, Shoe-in for second Nobel Prize | TheBlaze.com

At the end of this article it says that if someone wins 3 Nobel Peace Prizes they rename the award to your name!!!!!

[saden1]

It was just a matter of time...Let's hope Bashar al-Assad is next.

Why is it that dictators never go away quietly? Seriously, transfer some stash somewhere and go retire quietly before the shit hits the fan.

[saden1]

Too funny:

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Too funny:

I'll have to say I agree with him. We sink money and lives into these things and get nothing but more dept and hate from over there. Why not get something in return.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'll have to say I agree with him. We sink money and lives into these things and get nothing but more dept and hate from over there. Why not get something in return.

Yeah i agree too, to some extent. Either way not too sure whats funny or outlandish about his remarks?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yeah i agree too, to some extent. Either way not too sure whats funny or outlandish about his remarks?

The part where he says "to the victor goes the spoils of war" which entails procurement of goods without consent. Then he says we should charge them which entails having an agreement in place to remove a dictator for a fee. If the united states wishes to be a mercenary force that's fine...just spell it out up front.

Oh, and lets not forget who are talking about removing here...someone the United States and its NATO allies have deemed a threat which raises the question who is being helped here?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by saden1

It was just a matter of time...Let's hope Bashar al-Assad is next.

Why is it that dictators never go away quietly? Seriously, transfer some stash somewhere and go retire quietly before the shit hits the fan.

In the case of qaddafi I think he is quite delusional and he he believes alot of the stuff he says. Also these guys have been in power for such a long time they probably don't feel they could lose control.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by hooskins

In the case of qaddafi I think he is quite delusional and he he believes alot of the stuff he says. Also these guys have been in power for such a long time they probably don't feel they could lose control.

The game is the game I guess.

[mlmpetert]

Not sure who's the bigger jackass this guy, or the crazy guy who went hunting of osama in pakistan last year?

Clueless UCLA Math Major Joins Libyan Rebels

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Not sure who's the bigger jackass this guy, or the crazy guy who went hunting of osama in pakistan last year?

Clueless UCLA Math Major Joins Libyan Rebels

Haha that's an Onion article coming to life.