How to Beat the G-Men

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

Tiki is garbage, hes a overrated running back, running behind a great line.......no if and or buts about it.....

I have to disagree on this one WW, Tiki is an outstanding back, behind a decent line, the giant line isn't spectacular, Tiki makes an awful lot happen on his own, he has great second effort after contact, the steroids don't hurt either.

[offiss]

The obvious is stop Tiki, but having watched Eli, I would flood him with the blitz, he's a QB who would rather throw it up for grabs than give up a sack, I would then put Taylor on Buress, Taylor is the one player that can man up on such a big WR and intimidate him, and jump with him, take away both those options at all costs and I believe the rest of our defense can stop anything else the G-men throw at us, I do believe that Washington can man up with Shockey, we have the players on defense to shut them down, I also think our right side will be much tougher against the run with Griffen in there.

On offense, well I would probably attack there outside with the run, this would be the one game I believe Gibbs should put a blocking back in the backfield with Portis, [probably Cooley] I would then put Sellars in motion and have him earhole there ends all day long to seal the outside, then with a blocking back in front of him let Portis do his thing on the outside against smaller defenders. The Giants biggest threat on defense is their ends, they both can really disrupt the offensive flow, I would have Sellars cracking back on them and just pound on them all game to ware them out. After a few series of that they will worry more about Sellars drilling them from the side than getting upfield then we can start passing. I probably would rather have Sellars in the backfield leading the play, but only if we have a player who can really pound their ends, I don't know if Cooley packs that kind of wolup, possibly Kozlowski.

I believe the rest will take care of itself.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by offiss

The obvious is stop Tiki, but having watched Eli, I would flood him with the blitz, he's a QB who would rather throw it up for grabs than give up a sack, I would then put Taylor on Buress, Taylor is the one player that can man up on such a big WR and intimidate him, and jump with him, take away both those options at all costs and I believe the rest of our defense can stop anything else the G-men throw at us, I do believe that Washington can man up with Shockey, we have the players on defense to shut them down, I also think our right side will be much tougher against the run with Griffen in there.

On offense, well I would probably attack there outside with the run, this would be the one game I believe Gibbs should put a blocking back in the backfield with Portis, [probably Cooley] I would then put Sellars in motion and have him earhole there ends all day long to seal the outside, then with a blocking back in front of him let Portis do his thing on the outside against smaller defenders. The Giants biggest threat on defense is their ends, they both can really disrupt the offensive flow, I would have Sellars cracking back on them and just pound on them all game to ware them out. After a few series of that they will worry more about Sellars drilling them from the side than getting upfield then we can start passing. I probably would rather have Sellars in the backfield leading the play, but only if we have a player who can really pound their ends, I don't know if Cooley packs that kind of wolup, possibly Kozlowski.

I believe the rest will take care of itself.

Actually sounds like a very good gameplan. I'm not especially worried about their linebacking corps with Pierce out. Osi and Strahan are their biggest threats obviously and as you said, cracking back on them would take them right out of the game.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

Tiki is garbage, hes a overrated running back, running behind a great line.......no if and or buts about it.....

Overrated or not, great line or not, he accounts for a larger percentage of his team's offense than any other player in the NFL. Sounds pretty moronic to just ignore someone like that - just like it'd be stupid to ignore Edgerrin James, Steve Smith, Rudi Johnson or any of the others.

[dmek25]

ball control with the running game and winning time of possesion and the turnover thing

[skinsttw]

Control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Win the turnover battle. Stay in Eli's face the entire game.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Ok so this game was great, and its sweet to dominate Dallas, but next week is gonna be crucial. I can think of two things we need to do well to beat the NYG. First i think the most imp thing is establish a solid running game with Portis. I do not know the exact stats, but I think if he has a good game the Redskins tend to win. Good running will open up the pass, and hopefully we will continue to take shots downfield, and not get conservative. Another thing i think we need to do is to get after Eli. We cannot give him time in the pocket to complete passes. Hopefully our pass rush from this game will carry on. Another thing i just thought of was Ray Brown, we need the old man to step up, and his success will influence our passing and running game. Well thats all I can think of this late. Anyone else think of other things we need to do?

Those points are all well and good, but I'd have to rank our top 3 priorities as such:

#1 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#2 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#3 - STOP TIKI BARBER

Not to sound like a broken record of every sports announcer, but the guy is seriously underrated. He basically carries that team. How many 200+ yard games has he run for? 200+ against us last time, 220 on Saturday - the guy's a beast. Sure Eli has the potential to light things up, but he's young and inconsistent, and as of late has been tossing INTs right and left.

I'm pretty confident we can stop Shockey, Buress and Eli, but Tiki scares the living sh!t out of me. Seems like everyone focuses in on Shockey or Eli and totally forgets Tiki, and he then proceeds to torch you for some previously unheard of rushing stat.

I think this game will be won or lost based on the defenses ability to stop Barber.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Those points are all well and good, but I'd have to rank our top 3 priorities as such:

#1 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#2 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#3 - STOP TIKI BARBER

Not to sound like a broken record of every sports announcer, but the guy is seriously underrated. He basically carries that team. How many 200+ yard games has he run for? 200+ against us last time, 220 on Saturday - the guy's a beast. Sure Eli has the potential to light things up, but he's young and inconsistent, and as of late has been tossing INTs right and left.

I'm pretty confident we can stop Shockey, Buress and Eli, but Tiki scares the living sh!t out of me. Seems like everyone focuses in on Shockey or Eli and totally forgets Tiki, and he then proceeds to torch you for some previously unheard of rushing stat.

I think this game will be won or lost based on the defenses ability to stop Barber.

I agree, so far this season Tiki Barber has been the heart beat of the Giant's offense. If we can limit his production we will win the game.

Boy!! yesterday's game reminded me of old times. We couldn't find much to complain about yesterday.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Guess who is #1 in false start penalties? None other than the NY Giants.

[FRPLG]

On offense:
Take the gameplan form this week and transpose right into the gameplan for the Giants. Run CP wide and make there depleted LB corp make plays. Run away from Strahan and towards Umenyora(sp?) who is suspect on the run. Get Cooley one on one with anybody since I don't think a LB can cover him and a Corner can't tackle him. Get Sellers in as a blocking TE to help with Strahan AND he can also act as a once in a while dump off guy who will probably never get covered. Finally get Moss the ball 10 or so times either on screens or flys.

On defense:
Others have said it and I guess it is pretty obvious. Their offense goes as Tiki Barber goes. Stop him and make Eli beat you. Eli has looked suspiciously average for weeks but Tiki has been carrying them so no one has said much about this. Gotta plain and simple lock Tiki down. I doubt we can pressure the QB like against Dallas because the Giants line isn't a bunch of stiffs but some creative blitz packages ought to confuse and terrify young Eli. First play of the game we need to blitz Taylor and have him absolutly destroy Manning even if it costs a penalty. Scare the living f*&^ out of him. I mean just a nasty hit that crack the pysche.

[D'BOYZ]

Guys just play smash mouth football like you played us and you'll have no problem put a lot of presure to Eli and he will give the ball away all day control the ball kepp gettng the ball to moss and Coley and you'll have no problem.

[MTK]

I'm feeling pretty good about our run 'D' right about now. Griffin is the key. I'm sure these guys are just chomping at the bit to prove that the 1st meeting was a fluke when Tiki tore us a new one.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm feeling pretty good about our run 'D' right about now. Griffin is the key. I'm sure these guys are just chomping at the bit to prove that the 1st meeting was a fluke when Tiki tore us a new one.

Did you also notice that Killings is pretty beastly? He always got a huge push up front.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm feeling pretty good about our run 'D' right about now. Griffin is the key. I'm sure these guys are just chomping at the bit to prove that the 1st meeting was a fluke when Tiki tore us a new one.

I'd like to add that Salavea'a deserves a lot of credit here too. Griffin is awesome because he tends to turn his blocker and get past him to the RB. Salavea'a goes a little more unnoticed because he basically is just the immovable object. He doesn't always penetrate and make a stop in the backfield, but if you watch him during a run play, you see he never gets moved. No matter how big a guy he's going against, he always holds his ground. It's great, it's like having a giant boulder right in the middle of the line on every play. Him and Griffin deserve so much credit, they are like rocks that can't be moved, and it allows the LBs to go make the tackles. With both of these guys healthy, Barber isn't going anywhere, I'm convinced Tiki is going to be shut down like nobody's business.

Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'd like to add that Salavea'a deserves a lot of credit here too. Griffin is awesome because he tends to turn his blocker and get past him to the RB. Salavea'a goes a little more unnoticed because he basically is just the immovable object. He doesn't always penetrate and make a stop in the backfield, but if you watch him during a run play, you see he never gets moved. No matter how big a guy he's going against, he always holds his ground. It's great, it's like having a giant boulder right in the middle of the line on every play. Him and Griffin deserve so much credit, they are like rocks that can't be moved, and it allows the LBs to go make the tackles. With both of these guys healthy, Barber isn't going anywhere, I'm convinced Tiki is going to be shut down like nobody's business.

Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.

Oh yeah, without a doubt having Big Joe back in there is huge as well for the D-line..